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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. K View Post
    Dear Mr. Hargrove,

    I am one of the many who found (and joined) this site after learning about it while watching The Killing Season. (As an aside, which REALLY shouldn't be relegated to an aside, what Tricia has done here is AMAZING!!! ULTIMATE KUDOS!!!)

    I saw what you had done with the Murder Accountability Project, and I think it's an amazing tool. As an attorney (now "retired" due to disability) with a background in criminal psychology and childhood development, I think what you are doing here is wonderful. Especially since the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit is now stretched thin (and taken away from these kind of cases), it gives those of us who don't normally have access to this information—but have the ability to digest, interpret, process, and hopefully come up with helpful conclusions/solutions—access to it.

    That said, two things you said really stuck with me (I haven't watched the final two episodes—I'm saving them for a bit of "binge watching"—but you said this on an earlier episode): this is (1) entirely voluntary for law enforcement participation, and (2) often law enforcement is understaffed/overbudget and doesn't have the time to enter old cases into the database. So, my big question for you...

    Do you think there is a way for us to form community volunteer groups where we could go in and do data entry for local law enforcement on old cold cases? I know that those participating would need to be properly vetted before LE might be willing to open up their files, which might be a time/financial burden and therefore be a non-starter. However, I can't help but think there has to be a way that some of us who are interested, willing, and very upstanding citizens, working as volunteers, could help to get a lot of old files entered across the country if we can get LE on board. I'm an attorney by trade, but not in criminal law. But given my specialty area, one subset would lead me to believe there has to be a way to get grants or other funding to do the background checks necessary to allow willing volunteers vetted to the satisfaction of local LE and get some of these old cases entered into the database.

    As you said (and I'm paraphrasing here): the lack of data is holding things back, as well as the lack of entering cold cases. (Yes, I took great liberties in my paraphrasing! My sincerest apologies!!!)

    I'm just thinking that if we can get over the hurdle of data entry by using properly vetted volunteers, I would think that it would significantly help the database at a minimum, and perhaps help solve some of these cases at the best.

    Anyway, thanks for reading this and "hearing" me out. And thank you for what you've done in building this database—being a math/Excel/database "nerd", I can't thank you enough! (If you ever need any help, feel free to contact me!)

    And Trish, you are AMAZING!!! Keep up the wonderful work you do every day, just by keeping this site up! You do so much good in this world, just by being you with the mission you have found for yourself in life!!!!

    Thanks to all!!!
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    Hello, Dr. K -

    After seeing Mr. Hargrove's work on TKS, the same thing crossed my mind. I dismissed it thinking others would automatically reject it. I'm a recently retired ER RN in a small community with a good relationship with LE. I can imagine the logistics might be difficult, but with some online networking we might be able to collectively develop a universal plan/proposal.

    In my community, I doubt this would involve a lot of cases, so maybe not terribly time-consuming. Of course, I could be wrong. In cities with law schools or universities with law enforcement degrees, maybe there would be an avenue for involving professors &/or students.

    At any rate, I like your thinking.

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    Hello, I had been to this site in the past briefly, looking for a great-uncle who disappeared, (from mental institution) but I really never had the time to devote to any real research. I have since begun taking criminal justice classes and investigations is what I really love to do. What we have ran into is that authorities just don't want to investigate (our case) due to the amount of time that has passed. So a big thank you to Thomas Hargrove for the tool!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. K View Post
    Dear Mr. Hargrove,

    I am one of the many who found (and joined) this site after learning about it while watching The Killing Season. (As an aside, which REALLY shouldn't be relegated to an aside, what Tricia has done here is AMAZING!!! ULTIMATE KUDOS!!!)

    I saw what you had done with the Murder Accountability Project, and I think it's an amazing tool. As an attorney (now "retired" due to disability) with a background in criminal psychology and childhood development, I think what you are doing here is wonderful. Especially since the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit is now stretched thin (and taken away from these kind of cases), it gives those of us who don't normally have access to this information—but have the ability to digest, interpret, process, and hopefully come up with helpful conclusions/solutions—access to it.

    That said, two things you said really stuck with me (I haven't watched the final two episodes—I'm saving them for a bit of "binge watching"—but you said this on an earlier episode): this is (1) entirely voluntary for law enforcement participation, and (2) often law enforcement is understaffed/overbudget and doesn't have the time to enter old cases into the database. So, my big question for you...

    Do you think there is a way for us to form community volunteer groups where we could go in and do data entry for local law enforcement on old cold cases? I know that those participating would need to be properly vetted before LE might be willing to open up their files, which might be a time/financial burden and therefore be a non-starter. However, I can't help but think there has to be a way that some of us who are interested, willing, and very upstanding citizens, working as volunteers, could help to get a lot of old files entered across the country if we can get LE on board. I'm an attorney by trade, but not in criminal law. But given my specialty area, one subset would lead me to believe there has to be a way to get grants or other funding to do the background checks necessary to allow willing volunteers vetted to the satisfaction of local LE and get some of these old cases entered into the database.

    As you said (and I'm paraphrasing here): the lack of data is holding things back, as well as the lack of entering cold cases. (Yes, I took great liberties in my paraphrasing! My sincerest apologies!!!)

    I'm just thinking that if we can get over the hurdle of data entry by using properly vetted volunteers, I would think that it would significantly help the database at a minimum, and perhaps help solve some of these cases at the best.

    Anyway, thanks for reading this and "hearing" me out. And thank you for what you've done in building this database—being a math/Excel/database "nerd", I can't thank you enough! (If you ever need any help, feel free to contact me!)

    And Trish, you are AMAZING!!! Keep up the wonderful work you do every day, just by keeping this site up! You do so much good in this world, just by being you with the mission you have found for yourself in life!!!!

    Thanks to all!!!
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    Yes~
    There are way too many cases that are just never looked into or at. For every single one there is someone wondering where their loved one is.
    Look at the Sherry Leighty case here on WS. The case sat motionless for over a decade and her sister had had enough and started to dig and ask questions and low and behold the case was solved within months of her digging around. Everyone has someone who wants to know where they are or what happened to them. Murderers are getting a free pass all over and for every free pass they will kill again , maybe several times.

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    I love your post, Dr. K.
    I told my husband the other day that I want to buy a silver bullet trailer, pack him into it, and travel the country compiling this info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ediethedog View Post
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    It's nice to see members becoming acquainted with the algorithm. I had the opportunity to use it for quite awhile before it was posted here. The findings are quite interesting in some cases, if you apply critical analysis to the results. The next step is to research news archives, police blotters, if available, and even sites like WS to see if you can ID the victims and find patterns among their murders. Or better yet, common acquaintances or places frquented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHMAE View Post
    Yes~
    There are way too many cases that are just never looked into or at. For every single one there is someone wondering where their loved one is.
    Look at the Sherry Leighty case here on WS. The case sat motionless for over a decade and her sister had had enough and started to dig and ask questions and low and behold the case was solved within months of her digging around. Everyone has someone who wants to know where they are or what happened to them. Murderers are getting a free pass all over and for every free pass they will kill again , maybe several times.
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    Christopher:

    If you go to www.murderdata.org and select the "How to Use" tab, there are pretty complete instructions on how to use our data portals to the Uniform Crime Report ("Clearance Rates" tab) and Supplementary Homicide Report ("Search Cases" tab).

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    Unfortunately, the FBI never required that victims' names be captured in the Supplementary Homicide Report. The original intent of this database was to provide researchers with information about the nature of homicide in the United States. It was never intended to act as a homicide archive, which is how we are using it. We've made it searchable down to individual cases, something the Justice Department never imagined. But there are limitations, as you can see. The lack of identities is one of the biggest.


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    Dear Dr. K:

    Thanks so much for thinking about volunteering. The problem is that few police departments would consider using volunteers to file case information to the FBI. The process of reporting to ViCAP is not easy, and summarizing case details is even more difficult. ViCAP reporting really needs to be done by the case detective, and very few feel the ViCAP Violent Crimes Database to be a useful. And the general lack of data guarantees it won't be useful.

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    Hello! I'm brand new to Websleuths and forum posting in general. I was brought here by not only 'The Killing Season', but the 'My Favorite Murder' podcast. I've been keeping track of people who go missing in New Orleans via my blog nolamissing.tumblr.com after my own weird experience with a guy who may have been trying to kidnap me. One of my problems is that the NOPD sends out email alerts when people are reported missing, but doesn't update if they're found, so I have no idea how many of the people I've posted have returned home since.

    Looking at the stats on this awesome tool, I'm not surprised to find that overall New Orleans has a 48.64% clearance rate. In the past 10 years it's down to 30.22%, which puts it below Cleveland! I'm hoping 'The Killing Season' heads down here next season, to shed some light on this problem. The only time I've ever heard the words 'serial killer' thrown around is by locals, but sometimes we get clusters of similar-looking girls going missing around the same time.

    Sadly, New Orleans is the perfect place for a serial killer to operate, because the majority of us here are Black, in a Southern city that still has an unsaid racial hierarchy, with a police department that's in shambles. Dumb criminals don't even get caught here, so what's a smart one to fear?

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    When you first created this under scripps, I was hopeful, and as such, downloaded the SHR data, along with the tagging info, immediately. To my disappointment, I found that it provides gross, deidentified, data. Not gross, as in disgusting, mind you. I'm referring to very generic information, such as county, state, date, as opposed to, say, street, city, state, date.

    At the time... this would be in the 2014 time frame, I had considered coding something that would walk the database and then mine the internet for those cases matching the SHR database criteria. I did something similar when I received a [redacted] dox dump. Though, in that case, I correlated the member names to the national SXO registry in combination with profiles found on social networking sites, via the email addresses listed in that dump. The results were then automatically provided to various respective LEAs as well as the security department of the respective social media sites. It was, of course, on a much smaller scale and took a matter of minutes, in total, to code, and seconds, to run. Setting up the auto anon-remailer bit was the biggest challenge of that particular undertaking.

    This, however, would be an order of magnitude greater. Especially since there are fewer unique data points to work with. Notably, densely populated counties are far more problematic than sparsely populated counties, due to the number of reported murders that can occur within a single county on a single day. Then, there's the question of unsolved gang related murder versus potential serial killer cases, which, per the series, you do not appear to differentiate. They are quite different and should be investigated with this in mind, btw.

    But, I digress.

    In all, while I absolutely love the concept of being able to search such a vast database, I see some immediate limitations. For example, since the data is deidentified, the user is left with trying to correlate the cases to those reported in some news paper and/or a police blotter... an extremely time consuming task. Especially if that information is not online.

    That said, it may be worth while tapping into crime data apis (you can find a list of them, here).

    Aside: This is one of the reasons LEAs tend to lag behind when reporting info to VICAP. An enterprising individual with some time on their hands, could capitalize on this. Just sayin...

    In any event, while these agencies only keep their data around for 90 days, sucking that data into a separate database, and then correlating that data with new incoming SHR data, could prove to be useful. Bc, yes, api data has missing info, too. But the two (API+SHR) together? Huge, huge, implications.

    Anyway, just a thought, and something I'm looking into as a side project for my crime mapping stuff.

    Oh, btw, congrats on getting your rebranded project off the ground!



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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseMNola View Post
    Hello! I'm brand new to Websleuths and forum posting in general. I was brought here by not only 'The Killing Season', but the 'My Favorite Murder' podcast. I've been keeping track of people who go missing in New Orleans via my blog nolamissing.tumblr.com after my own weird experience with a guy who may have been trying to kidnap me. One of my problems is that the NOPD sends out email alerts when people are reported missing, but doesn't update if they're found, so I have no idea how many of the people I've posted have returned home since.

    Looking at the stats on this awesome tool, I'm not surprised to find that overall New Orleans has a 48.64% clearance rate. In the past 10 years it's down to 30.22%, which puts it below Cleveland! I'm hoping 'The Killing Season' heads down here next season, to shed some light on this problem. The only time I've ever heard the words 'serial killer' thrown around is by locals, but sometimes we get clusters of similar-looking girls going missing around the same time.

    Sadly, New Orleans is the perfect place for a serial killer to operate, because the majority of us here are Black, in a Southern city that still has an unsaid racial hierarchy, with a police department that's in shambles. Dumb criminals don't even get caught here, so what's a smart one to fear?
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