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  1. #61
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    Thank you, really thank you, for these thoughts. We have gathered records on more than 715,000 homicides, searchable by year, geography down to the county and police agency, victim's sex, exact age, race and method of killing. I too have wondered how feasible it would be to automate Web searching tools to match news accounts and other sources to the files. We'd love to put names to all these unnamed dead.

    I'm glad you've been downloading the data. Although we spend considerable effort obtaining these records, we want them to be as widely disseminated as possible. We recently added four years (1976-1979) at the request of two homicide detectives, one in Wisconsin and on in Florida, who were chasing multiple-victim killers who may have been active in the late 1970s. The FBI does not have comparable data that goes back any farther than 1976. Those records along with the data we got from our Illinois lawsuit are available for download now.

    Feel free to call me anytime if you'd like to discuss your ideas further. My cell is 571-606-5999 and email thomashargrove@verizon.net.

    --Tom Hargrove, Murder Accountability Project

  2. #62
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    I wish there was something like this in Scotland , there were 10 sex workers killed and still unsolved and I'm hearing the same stuff we could have a serial killer but also on the lack of work the police put into investigating these cases because they were sex workers i find this so sad and it makes me angry !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Hargrove View Post
    Thank you, really thank you, for these thoughts. We have gathered records on more than 715,000 homicides, searchable by year, geography down to the county and police agency, victim's sex, exact age, race and method of killing. I too have wondered how feasible it would be to automate Web searching tools to match news accounts and other sources to the files. We'd love to put names to all these unnamed dead.

    I'm glad you've been downloading the data. Although we spend considerable effort obtaining these records, we want them to be as widely disseminated as possible. We recently added four years (1976-1979) at the request of two homicide detectives, one in Wisconsin and on in Florida, who were chasing multiple-victim killers who may have been active in the late 1970s. The FBI does not have comparable data that goes back any farther than 1976. Those records along with the data we got from our Illinois lawsuit are available for download now.

    Feel free to call me anytime if you'd like to discuss your ideas further. My cell is 571-606-5999 and email thomashargrove@verizon.net.

    --Tom Hargrove, Murder Accountability Project
    Hi Mr. Hargrove,

    This project is absolutely brilliant. Is this strictly a database, or is there a way in your system to map these homicides? Perhaps by color-coding each decade, it might be easier to visualize patterns or clusters. (Or maybe you're already doing something like this.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJEverCurious View Post
    Hi Mr. Hargrove,

    This project is absolutely brilliant. Is this strictly a database, or is there a way in your system to map these homicides? Perhaps by color-coding each decade, it might be easier to visualize patterns or clusters. (Or maybe you're already doing something like this.)
    Great suggestion😉

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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJEverCurious View Post
    Hi Mr. Hargrove,

    This project is absolutely brilliant. Is this strictly a database, or is there a way in your system to map these homicides? Perhaps by color-coding each decade, it might be easier to visualize patterns or clusters. (Or maybe you're already doing something like this.)

    Thanks for your questions, NJEverCurious. Unfortunately, the Supplementary Homicide Report, the FBI source for most of the records you see at the "Search Cases" tab, does not include the street address of homicides, preventing geo-coding. This is very unfortunate since disorganized serial killers often operate in a pretty tight geography. We may be able to pick up geocoding as law enforcement transitions to the National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) in the coming years.

    Color coding by decade is an interesting idea. But with the year "slider" you already can isolate any range of consecutive years you wish. Thanks for your suggestions.

  6. #66
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    Mr. Hargrove and other advocates,
    I'm a NE Ohio resident living about 30 miles east of Cleveland. For several years I've advocated for missing persons and noticed unsolved missing, rape kits and investigations unsolved. I'm hopeful that better compilation of data like yours can light a fire under police jurisdictions, and thank you for your dedication.
    Last edited by sammyed; 12-25-2016 at 06:52 PM. Reason: Autospell

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    I am beyond excited to start reading into all of this, I know it won't take me long to be enthralled!

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    It seems to be such a huge problem with law enforcement not communicating and sharing information. Hopefully law enforcement will take a serious look at this and take notes!

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    I love the idea of creating volunteer groups! I am a Sociology Graduate student wanting to get some real data entry / research experience outside of the classroom. It would be so neat to not only get to gain that experience but also to help out local law enforcement in solving all of these cold cases.

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    I would love to speak to someone there is issues in dad's case that involves a the original investigator made statements that hasn't been proven true and he was friends with the person of interest in my missing farther any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniseMNola View Post
    Hello! I'm brand new to Websleuths and forum posting in general. I was brought here by not only 'The Killing Season', but the 'My Favorite Murder' podcast. I've been keeping track of people who go missing in New Orleans via my blog nolamissing.tumblr.com after my own weird experience with a guy who may have been trying to kidnap me. One of my problems is that the NOPD sends out email alerts when people are reported missing, but doesn't update if they're found, so I have no idea how many of the people I've posted have returned home since.

    Looking at the stats on this awesome tool, I'm not surprised to find that overall New Orleans has a 48.64% clearance rate. In the past 10 years it's down to 30.22%, which puts it below Cleveland! I'm hoping 'The Killing Season' heads down here next season, to shed some light on this problem. The only time I've ever heard the words 'serial killer' thrown around is by locals, but sometimes we get clusters of similar-looking girls going missing around the same time.

    Sadly, New Orleans is the perfect place for a serial killer to operate, because the majority of us here are Black, in a Southern city that still has an unsaid racial hierarchy, with a police department that's in shambles. Dumb criminals don't even get caught here, so what's a smart one to fear?

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    I'm so happy for this!!! Lots of hearts can be healed. Can't wait to get started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammyed View Post
    Mr. Hargrove and other advocates,
    I'm a NE Ohio resident living about 30 miles east of Cleveland. For several years I've advocated for missing persons and noticed unsolved missing, rape kits and investigations unsolved. I'm hopeful that better compilation of data like yours can light a fire under police jurisdictions, and thank you for your dedication.
    I'm in ne Ohio, too. Except I'm 0 miles out. lol. Literally right in the middle of lame ass second district.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mikestack1 View Post
    As you can see by my stripped-down profile, this is my first post and I felt the need to say that I was (probably like numerous others) turned onto this community by "The Killing Season", but just by using the different formulas in the county I live in in New Jersey, it speaks volumes of how numbers do not lie.
    I live in Somerset County, NJ, which is a pretty "safe" county, but there's a lot of patterns here also.
    Thatnks for providing me with this tool and for all of this information, I intend to use it and hopefully contribute somehow.
    TKS got me here! What a powerhouse they ended up with - getting people involved and energized like this. I rewatched the last 2 EPS and then binge listened to the last 5 eps of websleuths radio with them and all kinds of guests. It was all LISK all day here today!


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    Welcome to The Murder Accountability Project!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. K View Post
    Dear Mr. Hargrove,

    I am one of the many who found (and joined) this site after learning about it while watching The Killing Season. (As an aside, which REALLY shouldn't be relegated to an aside, what Tricia has done here is AMAZING!!! ULTIMATE KUDOS!!!)

    I saw what you had done with the Murder Accountability Project, and I think it's an amazing tool. As an attorney (now "retired" due to disability) with a background in criminal psychology and childhood development, I think what you are doing here is wonderful. Especially since the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit is now stretched thin (and taken away from these kind of cases), it gives those of us who don't normally have access to this information—but have the ability to digest, interpret, process, and hopefully come up with helpful conclusions/solutions—access to it.

    That said, two things you said really stuck with me (I haven't watched the final two episodes—I'm saving them for a bit of "binge watching"—but you said this on an earlier episode): this is (1) entirely voluntary for law enforcement participation, and (2) often law enforcement is understaffed/overbudget and doesn't have the time to enter old cases into the database. So, my big question for you...

    Do you think there is a way for us to form community volunteer groups where we could go in and do data entry for local law enforcement on old cold cases? I know that those participating would need to be properly vetted before LE might be willing to open up their files, which might be a time/financial burden and therefore be a non-starter. However, I can't help but think there has to be a way that some of us who are interested, willing, and very upstanding citizens, working as volunteers, could help to get a lot of old files entered across the country if we can get LE on board. I'm an attorney by trade, but not in criminal law. But given my specialty area, one subset would lead me to believe there has to be a way to get grants or other funding to do the background checks necessary to allow willing volunteers vetted to the satisfaction of local LE and get some of these old cases entered into the database.

    As you said (and I'm paraphrasing here): the lack of data is holding things back, as well as the lack of entering cold cases. (Yes, I took great liberties in my paraphrasing! My sincerest apologies!!!)

    I'm just thinking that if we can get over the hurdle of data entry by using properly vetted volunteers, I would think that it would significantly help the database at a minimum, and perhaps help solve some of these cases at the best.

    Anyway, thanks for reading this and "hearing" me out. And thank you for what you've done in building this database—being a math/Excel/database "nerd", I can't thank you enough! (If you ever need any help, feel free to contact me!)

    And Trish, you are AMAZING!!! Keep up the wonderful work you do every day, just by keeping this site up! You do so much good in this world, just by being you with the mission you have found for yourself in life!!!!

    Thanks to all!!!
    Also a data nerd here! Upload, download, excel, etc. gather, then organize, synthesize, analyze... love it!


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