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    My guess is that they consider themselves a 'religion' purely so the organization can benefit from tax-exempt status that churches are given. IMO, from what I've read (long before LR came forth), this cult is only about money for the higher-ups in the organization. Why else would a so-called "religion" charge parishioners $250,000 for various courses they're required to take? That's friggin insane.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jewels53 View Post
    This is definitely a very scary belief! I do not consider it a form of religion, as I haven't figured out yet what it is they worship other than themselves. imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by DexterMorgan View Post
    They somehow get transformed to this Science religion thing.
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    He turned science into a religion, the only new religion of the twenty first century, then he authored the book Dianetics to become wealthy.
    Please do not refer to science this way. It has nothing to do with actual science.

    Before founding Scientology, LRH was famous for numerous things including a poor military record and particularly for writing pulp science fiction. His science fiction wasn't very good. His claims about interplanetary travel and disembodied spirits being part of humanity's origin are implausibly bad.

    Furthermore, Scientology is definitely not the only new religion of the 21st century.
    Here's a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ious_movements

    Without looking at that list, I can name one famous religion that started in the last 10 years: Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's a parody religion but it's still a religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elwyn5150 View Post
    Please do not refer to science this way. It has nothing to do with actual science.

    Before founding Scientology, LRH was famous for numerous things including a poor military record and particularly for writing pulp science fiction. His science fiction wasn't very good. His claims about interplanetary travel and disembodied spirits being part of humanity's origin are implausibly bad.
    ^^snip

    Although the published book title includes the word “science” - Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, many scientists would certainly disagree that LRH’s Dianetics book is based at all on actual ‘science’.

    The original 1950 published Dianetics book is classified in the LIBRARY OF CONGRESS (LOC) as RC461
    R - - MEDICINE
    C - - AUXILIARY SCIENCES OF HISTORY
    https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/holdin...&bibId=6489625

    Later book publications of Dianetics are classified in LOC as BP605
    B - - PHILOSOPHY, PSYCHOLOGY, RELIGION
    P - - LANGUAGE AND LITERATURE
    https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search...=0&recCount=25

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    I'm watching a segment now that it was a 7 day a week church project, study and money.
    People kept against their judgement on a ship for as long as it took to promote and get contributions.
    This cult church is insane!
    Kyron, HALEIGH, ADJI & Gabriel NEEDS PRAYERS NOW TO FIND THEM!. Zahra & Jonathan in heaven
    Justice for Hailey!!!!
    No Justice for Caylee Marie..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by elwyn5150 View Post
    Please do not refer to science this way. It has nothing to do with actual science.

    Before founding Scientology, LRH was famous for numerous things including a poor military record and particularly for writing pulp science fiction. His science fiction wasn't very good. His claims about interplanetary travel and disembodied spirits being part of humanity's origin are implausibly bad.

    Furthermore, Scientology is definitely not the only new religion of the 21st century.
    Here's a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ious_movements

    Without looking at that list, I can name one famous religion that started in the last 10 years: Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's a parody religion but it's still a religion.
    Okay. David didn't want his father revived while about to die, supposedly due to the beliefs of the church.

    Wink wink.

    Plus Davids wife was forced to exile due to xyz bull crap. Lol

    Wink wink.

    So whats next?

    The broke parishioners have to hand over their daughters or pay a fine.

    Come on. Lol
    You can fool some of the people some of the time; But guess what? The Bus Stops Here (Life No Parole/ Don't Pass Go: Don't Collect Your $200)

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    I never heard of this before. The TV series just brought this up
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson
    Kyron, HALEIGH, ADJI & Gabriel NEEDS PRAYERS NOW TO FIND THEM!. Zahra & Jonathan in heaven
    Justice for Hailey!!!!
    No Justice for Caylee Marie..........

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    David is supposedly considered the pope of this religion.

    But he didn't want his father revived while having a heart attack or health problem.

    And he exiled his wife for opening her eyes to basic things.

    So if Tom Cruise and other big names look up to David.

    Then hopefully no one ever has health problems and need saving while these idiots are around. Jmo.
    You can fool some of the people some of the time; But guess what? The Bus Stops Here (Life No Parole/ Don't Pass Go: Don't Collect Your $200)

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    I've watched every episode. Any church that has locked gates and barbed wire to keep its members in is not a church I would want to belong to. The thought of having a minder, spending 250k to be a member or losing your family if you opt to leave is frightening. It makes you wonder if Tom Cruise or John Travolta will ever leave? I also wonder how many people are being held against their will.

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    How many episodes is this series? Was it just the 3 plus the "ask me anything" episode?

    They're doing a great job of presenting the experiences of a diverse number of escapees.

    This is not a church, it's a long-con and extortion abyss with the goal of extracting every bit of $$$ out of brainwashed cult members. When people have to run out the doors and plan escapes to get away, that's akin to being kidnapped, IMO.

    What an evil little man that David Miscaviage is. A little Napolean. I'd seen shows on this cult and him before, but it really brings it all home, packaged and distributed to a potentially wider audience.

    Wish he'd be arrested and convicted of battery, abuse, kidnapping and other felonies. He needs to be put away, far away, in a state or fed prison.

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    I picked up a L. Ron Hubbard book in the 70's when I was 20. It was the craziest most cult-like thing I ever read. I thought, how can an ordinary man, such as the author,believe he has more power than God? I am spiritual. It is within me, and bringsme peace and happiness. It didnít cost me a dime, and I didnít go through theseoutrageous abuses these members went through. Iíve never understoodhow people could buy into such a thing? Iím very happy Leah is doing thisseries for exposure to this cult.Earlythis year, I started receiving mailings from Scientology. Strange, I thought.In my 63 years Iíve never received one before, let alone three in less than ayear. They were recruitment-like. I thought this was all just weird until Iheard of and started watching Leahís show. I now wonder if it is because of hershow. Are they so afraid of losing members that they are trying to get newones? One wouldnít think that this gigantic corporation would have to worryabout money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LayzeeDayzee View Post
    Since Cruise spewed his stuff with Matt, about Brooke Shields, did the couch-dancing thing on Oprah, I have absolutely refuse to watch any movie he's in. I will not give one red cent to that arrogant lunatic.
    ITA. I have never watched another of his movies since that time. He absolutely makes my skin crawl.

    Normally, I do not hold an artists personal or political views against them. Loretta Lynn campaigns for George W Bush? She is still one of the greatest talents of her generation and I will never stop listening to her music. She has a right to her political views, like everyone else.

    But, there is a point where I know I cannot ever enjoy anything they produce. Rapists like Cosby, Child molesters, whom I will refrain from naming since his death moved him back to sainthood for some, or arrogant pigs like Cruise. Never.

    OTOH, I kinda love Katie Holmes for blindsiding him exactly as he blindsided Nicole. Karma is an awesome thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chlban View Post
    ITA. I have never watched another of his movies since that time. He absolutely makes my skin crawl.

    Normally, I do not hold an artists personal or political views against them.
    Loretta Lynn campaigns for George W Bush? She is still one of the greatest talents of her generation and I will never stop listening to her music. She has a right to her political views, like everyone else.

    But, there is a point where I know I cannot ever enjoy anything they produce. Rapists like Cosby, Child molesters, whom I will refrain from naming since his death moved him back to sainthood for some, or arrogant pigs like Cruise. Never.

    OTOH, I kinda love Katie Holmes for blindsiding him exactly as he blindsided Nicole. Karma is an awesome thing.
    You succinctly put into words what I have been thinking and could not figure out how to convey. You hit the nail on the head for me too.

    I normally try enjoy actors and musicians for their talent and if they have views different than mine then I try not to hold it against them and just enjoy their talent. But you are so right that there is a line that if they cross it for me then I simply cannot enjoy them anymore.

    Thank you for expaining it so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaMac View Post
    I picked up a L. Ron Hubbard book in the 70's when I was 20. It was the craziest most cult-like thing I ever read. I thought, how can an ordinary man, such as the author,believe he has more power than God? I am spiritual. It is within me, and bringsme peace and happiness. It didn’t cost me a dime, and I didn’t go through theseoutrageous abuses these members went through. I’ve never understoodhow people could buy into such a thing? I’m very happy Leah is doing thisseries for exposure to this cult.Earlythis year, I started receiving mailings from Scientology. Strange, I thought.In my 63 years I’ve never received one before, let alone three in less than ayear. They were recruitment-like. I thought this was all just weird until Iheard of and started watching Leah’s show. I now wonder if it is because of hershow. Are they so afraid of losing members that they are trying to get newones? One wouldn’t think that this gigantic corporation would have to worryabout money.
    Can you think of anything you may have done recently where they could have gotten you on their mailing list? Maybe through purchasing something on an internet site or visiting a site where you had to register and they sold the mailing list to them?

    It is scary how mailing lists get sold from one company to another. Its one reason why I hate to register anywhere online because it seems as soon as I do then I start receiving telemarketing calls or other mailed solicitations.

    As a funny example I recently went to a Captain Crunch cereal website to see if I "won" a prize. LOL And of course I had to register to see if my cereal box code number matched the winning prize code. I knew I would not win and I was foolish for even trying but this one day curiosity got the best of me and I checked it out. Right afterwards I started to get strange mailed solicitations for all sorts of strange offers in the mail. I knew right away where they got my address. Captain Crunch sold the mailing list to everyone in the world. LMAO
    Im gonna sink the Ole Capn's ship if I ever see him. LOL

    I also find it scary how when I do purchase something online how ads pop up for similar products as I surf the net. They must have "cookies" that know what I purchased. Pretty scary stuff how they steal people's personal information. I am sure its in the fine print when I ordered the product that I did give permission for them to do that.

    Its almost impossible to avoid letting our information get out to marketers because we then would not be able to do anything. We would have to lock ourselves in our homes and never come out and throw our computers in the trash. LOL

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    "exactly as he blindsided Nicole." Karma is an awesome thing.

    Any one able to refresh me on how Cruise blindsided Nicole?

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    What I recall is that they had just renewed their vows, a month or so before. It was reported, and confirmed by Nicole years later, that she had no idea a divorce was on the horizon or even that Tom was unhappy.

    There has been speculation that the issue was Nicole was not so enthralled with the church, hadn't been for some time and that was the primary reason. Whether that is true or not, of course we do not know, but it doesn't seem that far fetched.

    Tom and the church also did a really good job of turning the two children against their mother and the relationship remains strained. From what I see on the front of the tabloids these days, Tom is not seeing Suri at all, so sure looks like Karma to me.

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