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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCityAccountant View Post
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    The other barrel came from JR's deer camp.
    I thought this too... but the deer camp barrel said "deer camp" on it. But this is how it was reported:

    At approximately 1630 hours, Sgt. BILL TYSON, Deputy NICHOLAS J. SABLICH and I recovered two burn barrels from the AVERY property. One of those was marked burn barrel #4.

    page 173 of Caso.

    The barrel's are a mess, I start looking at them, make a few notes, then walk away LOL

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    At best this was incompetence.

    But it could very well be malfeasance disguised as incompetence.

    Blocking the forensic specialists from examining the scene and properly documenting it speaks to the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul Vesalot View Post
    About that fire....how many tires were used total?....can a few tires burn at 1800 degrees (number from the forensic dentist) without something pumping air into it? Blacksmiths need an air source, a "blower" or bellows to get coal up to 1400-1500 degrees for iron and steel work. Without that air source, the coal will normally not get anywhere near hot enough unless the fire was massive.

    Also, just as a side note, the hotter the fire, the more air it needs and the faster the fuel source (like tires) get used up. Tires normally ignite at around 750 according to cursory research.

    I found a guy who says he has burned tires and the hottest part of the burn lasted only for 30-45 minutes with one tire. And the whole body needs to be wreathed in cremation temperature flames...that sounds like a fairly large number of tires to me.

    Edited to add the info below:
    A traditional Hindu funeral pyre takes six hours and burns 500–600 kilogrammes (1,102–1,323 pounds) of wood to burn a body completely

    From wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyre
    If there was no bonfire then TH's body wasn't burned in a bonfire though. And why would the Avery's have invited people to a bonfire on Halloween to burn a body. Didn't happen IMO.
    Even when people are burned in house fires or other scenarios the teeth will survive and is usually how those victims are identified through dental records.
    TH's teeth were pretty much destroyed as far as that goes. Unless someone busted up bones and teeth to destroy all identity of the victim for whatever reason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    I thought this too... but the deer camp barrel said "deer camp" on it. But this is how it was reported:

    At approximately 1630 hours, Sgt. BILL TYSON, Deputy NICHOLAS J. SABLICH and I recovered two burn barrels from the AVERY property. One of those was marked burn barrel #4.

    page 173 of Caso.

    The barrel's are a mess, I start looking at them, make a few notes, then walk away LOL
    That was when #4 was taken back the second time. Again, nothing of evidentiary value was found at any stage. Can't see any malicious actions there. Jmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by proudfootz View Post
    At best this was incompetence.

    But it could very well be malfeasance disguised as incompetence.

    Blocking the forensic specialists from examining the scene and properly documenting it speaks to the latter.


    If I could give 1000 Thanks to this post, I would! Perfectly stated to how I feel about that investigation, but I will take it one step further. I might have been able to say, at the LEAST, it was incompetence if not for the fact of the sheer number of coincidences, typos, and sometimes scarily obvious (the bones and barrels) acts of negligence and ignorance that the state and LE would have everyone to believe. JMO.of course.

    Edited to add: Even if LE actions in the TH investigation can be explained away as "incompetence" that still leaves me extremely worried for the people who have to live in those areas and the level of protection they can rely on. The scariest part (and why EVERYONE who happens to live in small town America should have concerns) is that this could have (and does) happen all across the country. That is what has kept me here for over a year now, as it scared me how obvious it can be when one really digs beneath the surface of what the media is telling us in some of these cases. Still all IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaiddie View Post

    If I could give 1000 Thanks to this post, I would! Perfectly stated to how I feel about that investigation, but I will take it one step further. I might have been able to say, at the LEAST, it was incompetence if not for the fact of the sheer number of coincidences, typos, and sometimes scarily obvious (the bones and barrels) acts of negligence and ignorance that the state and LE would have everyone to believe. JMO.of course.

    Edited to add: Even if LE actions in the TH investigation can be explained away as "incompetence" that still leaves me extremely worried for the people who have to live in those areas and the level of protection they can rely on. The scariest part (and why EVERYONE who happens to live in small town America should have concerns) is that this could have (and does) happen all across the country. That is what has kept me here for over a year now, as it scared me how obvious it can be when one really digs beneath the surface of what the media is telling us in some of these cases. Still all IMO.
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    Don't know if this has ever been discussed here and didn't see a thread for it under the headers but sounds very suspicious. If not ok. to post here mod can please delete.
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    Let me clear up the confusion.

    According to DCI Agent SKORLINSKI and CASO Investigator DEDERING, master key (#M1) was missing. It seems the only confusion here is the definition of “theory” and “debunked”.

    Prior to Jan 12, 2007, the Department of Public Works (DPW) stated, for the record, that MTSO was in possession of a master key to courthouse. However, several weeks later Petersen claimed he hadn’t seen master key #M1 (MASTER KEY TO THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE) in years. Twelve days later, asst. director of DPW (Kocourek’s nephew, NEUSER) proactively called DEDERING and claimed master key #M1 had been destroyed in 2001. Unfortunately for Kocourek’s nephew and Petersen, a county employee had already claimed ownership of master key #M1 earlier that month. She changed her story after NEUSER’s phone call to DEDERING.
    continue reading here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karinna View Post
    Don't know if this has ever been discussed here and didn't see a thread for it under the headers but sounds very suspicious. If not ok. to post here mod can please delete.
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    Let me clear up the confusion.

    According to DCI Agent SKORLINSKI and CASO Investigator DEDERING, master key (#M1) was missing. It seems the only confusion here is the definition of “theory” and “debunked”.

    Prior to Jan 12, 2007, the Department of Public Works (DPW) stated, for the record, that MTSO was in possession of a master key to courthouse. However, several weeks later Petersen claimed he hadn’t seen master key #M1 (MASTER KEY TO THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE) in years. Twelve days later, asst. director of DPW (Kocourek’s nephew, NEUSER) proactively called DEDERING and claimed master key #M1 had been destroyed in 2001. Unfortunately for Kocourek’s nephew and Petersen, a county employee had already claimed ownership of master key #M1 earlier that month. She changed her story after NEUSER’s phone call to DEDERING.
    continue reading here
    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...ottom-comments
    I have read about that! I'm not sure we have discussed it much on here though. It's interesting to see who they claim had possession of the M1 key and they claim it was destroyed. How would they know that?

    http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co....pdf#page=1088

    The contracted employee, RE, was married to CE (http://imgur.com/FOv2sB1).

    CE.... is the woman that was attacked by AM on November 5th with an axe. Here is her interview with Baldwin: http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...t.pdf#page=325

    oh and.... RE passed in 2006 too I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    I have read about that! I'm not sure we have discussed it much on here though. It's interesting to see who they claim had possession of the M1 key and they claim it was destroyed. How would they know that?

    http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co....pdf#page=1088

    The contracted employee, RE, was married to CE (http://imgur.com/FOv2sB1).

    CE.... is the woman that was attacked by AM on November 5th with an axe. Here is her interview with Baldwin: http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...t.pdf#page=325

    oh and.... RE passed in 2006 too I think.
    Thanks for the reply missy & links. BBM, Yes and who destroys a key anyway? And good question about who knew that anyway.
    And AM was in jail with SA too i think from what i read. Strange goings on in MC for sure.
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