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    Quote Originally Posted by Wing Ding View Post
    I don't know what your sources are but I believe Elvis Presley died in 1977 and I know Mario Andretti retired from racing in September, 1994 at the end of the racing season.

    But if Mario had Dianetics anywhere on his car (his primary sponsorship in the 90's was KMART and several products that were available at KMART were associate sponsors on the car), that would mean that Dianetics paid money to Paul Newman and Carl Haas (co-owners of the Newman-Haas Racing team) to have CoS on the car, rather than Mario seeking-out CoS for sponsorship.
    Found a little information about this, it was the late 80's when CoS started promoting Dianetics in the racing industry. Andretti refused and made them take the logo off his race car because he was a good Catholic boy.

    Here's an interesting article, though there's no mention of Cruise in it. Sorry if it's considered OT, but this caught my interest.

    SCIENTOLOGY’S bizarre attempts to sponsor professional motorsport involved John Travolta, million dollar offers and the Pope.
    http://www.news.com.au/technology/in...d058002fa6ccf5

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    Tom Cruise looks the same as he did in the movie The Outsiders.

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    I loved that movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neesaki View Post
    Found a little information about this, it was the late 80's when CoS started promoting Dianetics in the racing industry. Andretti refused and made them take the logo off his race car because he was a good Catholic boy.

    Here's an interesting article, though there's no mention of Cruise in it. Sorry if it's considered OT, but this caught my interest.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/in...d058002fa6ccf5
    Hey, thanks for the additional info and for the the link which shows just how far Church of Scientology crossed the line with their involvement in motorsports sponsorship.

    Sponsors do pay a lot of money to advertise their company or product on the side of a race car so they can (and do) place certain demands on teams and drivers for a return on their investment (above and beyond the calculated tv time that millions of eyeballs will see their name on the side of a car during a televised race that is tracked by marketing companies such as Joyce Julius & Associates).

    It's also not unusual to see sponsors hand out samples of their product to fans who attend the races (everything from cigarettes to energy drinks to stickers to cleaning products to keep your car looking shiney and new). In fact it's expected of them (although tobacco products have been banned from sponsoring motorsports for about 15 years now), but the Church of Scientology seemed to cross way over the line with their direct involvement in offering auditing and counseling services to team personnel. It's one thing for them to set up a booth and the track and hand out their literature to someone walking by who would likely throw it away into the first trash can they see, but to actually want to go as far as to hook someone up to their machines and try to exorcise their racing demons is beyond ludicrous. Although I can understand if Roberto Guerrero were to have won the Indy 500 because of the auditing CoS did, that would be a major selling point for them that would probably still be used to this day. And CoS would probably still be printing full-size Indy 500 Winner posters with Roberto Guerrero in his Dianetics firesuit in the winners circle with the flower wreath, the bottle of milk and the three foot check. Ugh!

    At first I thought Roberto Guerrero was the guy who had served 2-1/2 years for a drug conviction (sentenced to five years) in the 80's, but that was another Indy Car driver. I could totally see CoS wanting to be responsible for turning around the life of a convicted drug peddler, but that wasn't Guerrero. Maybe CoS should have gone after the other guy. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wing Ding View Post
    I don't know what your sources are but I believe Elvis Presley died in 1977 and I know Mario Andretti retired from racing in September, 1994 at the end of the racing season.

    But if Mario had Dianetics anywhere on his car (his primary sponsorship in the 90's was KMART and several products that were available at KMART were associate sponsors on the car), that would mean that Dianetics paid money to Paul Newman and Carl Haas (co-owners of the Newman-Haas Racing team) to have CoS on the car, rather than Mario seeking-out CoS for sponsorship.
    My apologies for any confusion the post may have caused due to using the "1980s".

    ELVIS BLASTS SCIENTOLOGY: 'That s.o.b. group - all they want is my money'

    The Scientologists once tried to recruit Elvis, Fike says. He recalls that Elvis fumed: "The hell with those people. There's no way I'll ever get involved with that s.o.b. group. All they want is my money."

    Lisa Marie paid $1.5 million for the house at 1100 North Osceola Ave. [Clearwater] because she desperately wanted to live close to the church. It was in that house that she collapsed in pain and was eventually taken to nearby Morton Plant Hospital, not long after undergoing the Scientology "cleansing" ritual.

    http://lermanet.com/cos/lisamarie.html
    Andretti orders `Dianetics' logo taken off his car
    St. Petersburg Times - St. Petersburg, Fla.
    Author: Tobin, Thomas C Wilson, Jon
    Date: Nov 27, 1988

    A logo for the best-selling book, Dianetics, was taken off Andretti's high-performance Porsche on Friday night. But the veteran driver said Saturday he ``had nothing to do with (the Dianetics sponsorship) in the first place. It's not something I believe in, so I don't want to make it appear like I'm endorsing it.``

    http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/tampabay...en+off+his+car
    Scientology goes racing: When Indy 500 and Le Mans cars were sponsored by ‘Dianetics’

    HOLLYWOOD’S FAVORITE NEW-AGE RELIGION TRIED, FAILED TO SPREAD ITS MESSAGE WITH SPEED

    July 14, 2015

    Which worked out nicely for Hubbard, who loved fast cars and motorcycles. Elements of the modern church leadership, perhaps emulating their founder, reportedly share the same passions. Noted Scientologist Tom Cruise played a stock-car racer in the 1990 film “Days of Thunder” and has a high-octane fleet of his own....

    Most famously, the church slapped Dianetics decals all over the Vince Granatelli Racing Lola/Cosworth driven by Roberto Guerrero in the 1988 Indy 500. It crashed out in turn two, having failed to complete a single lap.

    Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/car-life...#ixzz4fVyG79ES

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    YAY! Way to go ELVIS!
    That was very interesting about Lisa Marie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by they'll get you View Post
    YAY! Way to go ELVIS!
    That was very interesting about Lisa Marie.
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    I read somewhere that they pressured Lisa Marie to go after Michael Jackson and that's the only reason they got married. They're always looking for the next richest and famous new Member.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthy View Post
    I read somewhere that they pressured Lisa Marie to go after Michael Jackson and that's the only reason they got married. They're always looking for the next richest and famous new Member.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthy View Post
    I read somewhere that they pressured Lisa Marie to go after Michael Jackson and that's the only reason they got married. They're always looking for the next richest and famous new Member.


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    Wow.......I never thought about that angle before. Makes more sense now.
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    The failings of Scientology as a cult are this:

    * Failure to encourage tons of children

    That's pretty much it. Religions that hate children die out. Religions that go crazy for indoctrinating kids win. Pretty obvious. Yeah, it's a criminal cult. A stupid one.

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    I am not convinced the whole thing is not a money laundering, tax avoidance scheme.


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    Around my town there was an old Native American school.. This place was intended to be totally self sustaining. They had their own electric plant, grew their own food, raised their own cattle etc. When it closed the land went to the tribes and they rented the place out to Narconon from 1989 to 2001, which is an organization that promotes the theories of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard regarding substance abuse treatment and addiction. The name of the school was Chilocco Indian Agricultural School. It still stands today in disrepair. Plenty of old Native ghost stories surround the land

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