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    Seems that Cruise just falls all over himself when given the attention he gets from David Miscavige & the Co$.... as he himself believes he's just the greatest thing ever created. OMG, gag me with a spoon!

    Glad to hear Lisa Marie Presley has stood up to the Co$. There's a lot online about that when you search. She's been working with Ron Miscavige, David's father, as he wrote a book titled "Ruthless".

    Interesting.... close friends of ours lived in the Belleair Shore area, Clearwater, FL, on Gulf Blvd, on a private beach. About 4 houses up was a house owned by John Travolta. Whenever we walked we passed that house, it was always closed up. My friend felt Travolta had the house simply for church use like entertaining, etc---he was seen there just a few times along with others so my friend was probably right. Down the opposite way was a home owned by the Presley girl---neighbors figured her house was used by her the same way as Travolta's but my friend & her neighbors never noticed anything going on there. Who knows. Our friends sold their home in 2015, lived there 11 yrs. Surely the Presley girl sold hers since debunking the Co$. Seems you never hear anything anymore about Travolta even mentioning the church, wonder about his place there since was only for church use at the time.

    YES, agree about Katie Holmes father. And they 'executed' The Tom Cruise Divorce' as they should have under what was/is a threat... the Co$. Was done without warning. Bada-boom, bada-bing... DONE! Tom never knew what hit him nor the church. FUNNY you certainly don't hear much anymore about Cruise & the church since Holmes divorced him AND the HBO Going Clear docu aired. He really looked foolish in the documentary, just enamored with himself of his own presence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msboo View Post
    Seems that Cruise just falls all over himself when given the attention he gets from David Miscavige & the Co$.... as he himself believes he's just the greatest thing ever created. OMG, gag me with a spoon!

    Glad to hear Lisa Marie Presley has stood up to the Co$. There's a lot online about that when you search. She's been working with Ron Miscavige, David's father, as he wrote a book titled "Ruthless".

    Interesting.... close friends of ours lived in the Belleair Shore area, Clearwater, FL, on Gulf Blvd, on a private beach. About 4 houses up was a house owned by John Travolta. Whenever we walked we passed that house, it was always closed up. My friend felt Travolta had the house simply for church use like entertaining, etc---he was seen there just a few times along with others so my friend was probably right. Down the opposite way was a home owned by the Presley girl---neighbors figured her house was used by her the same way as Travolta's but my friend & her neighbors never noticed anything going on there. Who knows. Our friends sold their home in 2015, lived there 11 yrs. Surely the Presley girl sold hers since debunking the Co$. Seems you never hear anything anymore about Travolta even mentioning the church, wonder about his place there since was only for church use at the time.

    YES, agree about Katie Holmes father. And they 'executed' The Tom Cruise Divorce' as they should have under what was/is a threat... the Co$. Was done without warning. Bada-boom, bada-bing... DONE! Tom never knew what hit him nor the church. FUNNY you certainly don't hear much anymore about Cruise & the church since Holmes divorced him AND the HBO Going Clear docu aired. He really looked foolish in the documentary, just enamored with himself of his own presence.
    Apparently, Presley sold it to Kirstie Alley. Lots of information in this DM article, which supports your experience.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-powers.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfieTX View Post
    Apparently, Presley sold it to Kirstie Alley. Lots of information in this DM article, which supports your experience.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-powers.html
    While Presley may have owned the home pictured in that article, it's not where our friends lived. They were all on Gulf Blvd in a private beach area in Belleaire Shore which is in Clearwater. The home pictured may have been owned by Presley but doesn't even look like anything in that area, not even on the inter coastal water way---weird but typical reporting with wrong info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfieTX View Post
    Apparently, Presley sold it to Kirstie Alley. Lots of information in this DM article, which supports your experience.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-powers.html
    ALSO... the Travolta home in the article is their family home in Ocala, which it does state the location. The Travolta house on the beach (Gulf Blvd in Belleaire Shore) was typical of those close by & always had the hurricane shutters closed. People did see him there a couple of times getting out of a limo. It was rumored that Cruise also had a house in the area but he was never seen there at all. We always thought the Cruise rumor was just that although he came there to the church events and they put in up in royal style from what the Going Clear document showed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfieTX View Post
    Apparently, Presley sold it to Kirstie Alley. Lots of information in this DM article, which supports your experience.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-powers.html
    Hey SurfieTX,

    I read that entire article. Mike Rinder, former board member who left in 2007, stated how the downtown area where the church dominates so much real estate is like "Zombie Land". That's exactly what my husband's friend said. During one of our visits they went for breakfast & after he took my husband down town to see what it was like. My husband described it the same.... said those obvious church members he saw on the street looked & walked around like "Zombies". Sad & scary!

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    I refuse to watch Tom Cruise movies, old or new, because of his connection to the Co$. I never watched Leah's sitcom but I wouldn't skip it just because she's an ex-member and it's okay to watch Cheers re-runs, too, no matter that Kirstie Alley is in some of them. But a massive public boycott of any new movie starring Tom Cruise will send a strong and loud message. And there are lots of people on the Internet, not just true crime fans, who are against the Co$.

    Here's Tom Cruise's upcoming films according to IMDB:

    M:I 6 - Mission Impossible
    American Made
    The Mummy
    Luna Park
    Top Gun 2

    Can we start a petition to boycott? I am sure we can spread the boycott message on Reddit and elsewhere. I am sure Tricia could mention it on her podcast and to all her guests. We can create a URL that's easy to remember, that redirects right to the petition page:

    notom.org or something
    The URL seems to be free.

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    illyana, I'll want to see Top Gun II if The Iceman is involved....


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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfieTX View Post
    Apparently, Presley sold it to Kirstie Alley. Lots of information in this DM article, which supports your experience.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-powers.html
    Alley does indeed own the home pictured in the DM article.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-powers.html

    The neighborhood is Old Clearwater Bay.
    I am a native of the area and was here long before Scientologists arrived.

    You can match the realtor.com photo with the county property records - -
    1100 N Osceola Ave - realty photo at this link:
    http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...5_M53213-30074

    Property ownership at this link for Pinellas County Property Appraiser public records - http://www.pcpao.org/
    Alley owns five listed properties in the same block.
    There is a small waterfront Public Park adjacent to the north side of her house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeesSeas View Post
    Alley does indeed own the home pictured in the DM article.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-powers.html

    The neighborhood is Old Clearwater Bay.
    I am a native of the area and was here long before Scientologists arrived.
    SeesSeas.... Thank you, I stand corrected!

    We were there a lot but certainly didn't know the area like those living there. The picture just didn't look like any thing I'd seen there.

    I was not implying Alley didn't own or purchase that particular home or any other from Presley. The home pictured in that article was not beach house near our friends' home.

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    Miscavige uses Tom Cruise as 'barter' in meetings with City of Clearwater officials:
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/sciento...rwater/2316471
    Scientology's David Miscavige talks about Cleveland Street redevelopment and entertainment center backed by Tom Cruise
    Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:38pm
    CLEARWATER Scientology leader David Miscavige on Tuesday revealed privately to City Council members the church's downtown redevelopment strategy, which focuses on recruiting businesses to Cleveland Street and bankrolling a facade overhaul for the main thoroughfare rather than controlling the entire downtown footprint.
    With the help of actor and noted Scientologist Tom Cruise, the church is also developing an entertainment complex on two blocks of vacant lots it bought last month along Myrtle Avenue between Cleveland and Drew streets, Vice Mayor Bill Jonson said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illyana View Post
    I refuse to watch Tom Cruise movies, old or new, because of his connection to the Co$. I never watched Leah's sitcom but I wouldn't skip it just because she's an ex-member and it's okay to watch Cheers re-runs, too, no matter that Kirstie Alley is in some of them. But a massive public boycott of any new movie starring Tom Cruise will send a strong and loud message. And there are lots of people on the Internet, not just true crime fans, who are against the Co$.

    Here's Tom Cruise's upcoming films according to IMDB:


    M:I 6 - Mission Impossible
    American Made
    The Mummy
    Luna Park
    Top Gun 2

    Can we start a petition to boycott? I am sure we can spread the boycott message on Reddit and elsewhere. I am sure Tricia could mention it on her podcast and to all her guests. We can create a URL that's easy to remember, that redirects right to the petition page:

    notom.org or something
    The URL seems to be free.
    BBM. I Agree.
    The only movies I have ever watched with him in it was The Outsiders (1983) and Rain Man (1988)Though I didn't watch because he had a part in the movie.

    I was never a Cruise fan, EVER. There was something about him even way back during the early part of his acting career that I did not care for, something I could put my finger on but bothered me enough to not wish to see him act, give an interview etc. and I still feel that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmacky View Post
    This is a fairly lengthy article, but well worth the read.

    1. What Katie Didn’t Know
    2. The Surprise Divorce

    Katie’s best man, it turned out, was her father, who had negotiated a prenuptial agreement for his youngest daughter that reportedly filled five bankers’ boxes. Because of it, when Katie Holmes made her bombshell announcement late last June that she was divorcing Tom Cruise, the case was able to be resolved in a mere 11 days.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/...ce-scientology
    As a family law attorney I watched the divorce with amazement and serious interest. A divorce agreement effectuated in mere days after filing is totally unheard of.

    Katie and her dad were brilliant. It was brilliantly strategic and as involved as a government intelligence exercise.

    It is very clear to me that they laid all the cards on the table and basically said give us what we want with the kid or we are going to totally and ruthlessly expose your cult.

    He picked tbe cult over his kid. And it shows exactly who he is and how entrenched he is in the cult.

    The dude by all accounts was very close to his little daughter. Their body language showed the intimacy and affection and trust. For him to abandon her and that is stunning. He seemed very proud and protective of his kid.

    I think it's good because she's protected from that destructive cult but how it must feel to her to be abandoned by her father is very sad. How on earth can it be explained.

    Ultimately i think Holmes saw exactly what happened to Kidman and resolved she would not be alienated from her child in the same way. And she had the resources to make sure of that.

    And the skill. There are photos of her in Iceland with cruise right before she filed. She is acting. She is acting like a committed wife. She's holding his hand and acting as if they're close. Look carefully and the strain is apparent around her eyes and mouth.

    She kept all her misgivings which clearly strengthened into disgust, secret from her husband. For months. She purchased a home in NY to establish residnecy because unlike California where it is very joint custody oriented, the NY family court still favors moms. And is conservetive when it comes to religion.

    Imagine having to act that and keep that secret for so long. So you can save your kid.

    I was so impressed and still am.
    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intermezzo View Post
    BBM. I Agree.
    The only movies I have ever watched with him in it was The Outsiders (1983) and Rain Man (1988)Though I didn't watch because he had a part in the movie.

    I was never a Cruise fan, EVER. There was something about him even way back during the early part of his acting career that I did not care for, something I could put my finger on but bothered me enough to not wish to see him act, give an interview etc. and I still feel that way.
    My mom always said the same thing!!
    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

    *Gitana (means "Gypsy girl"). Pronounced "hee tah nah."

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    gitana1..... I'm no attorney but AGREE, this divorce was amazing. Cruise got 'frosted', literally! Thank the good Lord for what/how Katie handled herself AND her dad with his expertise as THAT saved their child's life! Cruise choosing the cult over his daughter shows WHO he really is, terrible.

    I'm no Cruise fan either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeDee View Post
    The title of the thread may be confusing me. Is this thread solely for Tom Cruise?


    If not, I wanted to mention back in the 1980s when Elvis Presley was slinging mud at CoS. He claimed all they wanted was his money. When he died, iirc, Lisa Marie Presely inherited around 32 million dollars from his estate when she reached a certain age. Lisa Marie Presley recently said of CoS that they are a "sinister snitching culture".

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/20...ert-weighs-in/

    The famous race car driver Mario Andretti had the word "Dianetics" removed from his racing car in 1998.

    Phil Donahue tried exposing them on his show in 1995 through investigative journalism.

    CoS has faced conflict since its inception. This post, including LR's coming out, demonstrates decades of complaints against the religion.

    If this thread is only about TC, then all I have to add is that a man who would give up his children for a religion is not a good father for he abandoned what should be an important source of his pride and joy.
    I don't know what your sources are but I believe Elvis Presley died in 1977 and I know Mario Andretti retired from racing in September, 1994 at the end of the racing season.

    But if Mario had Dianetics anywhere on his car (his primary sponsorship in the 90's was KMART and several products that were available at KMART were associate sponsors on the car), that would mean that Dianetics paid money to Paul Newman and Carl Haas (co-owners of the Newman-Haas Racing team) to have CoS on the car, rather than Mario seeking-out CoS for sponsorship.
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