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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellyd View Post
    Is there any proof of the good they say they do from outside of "the church"? I am very hesitant to believe anything in links that go to "the church" at this point.

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    Ha! That is the million dollar question!
    You won’t find much about Scientologist Volunteers in main-stream media, other than the likes of this:

    http://www.catholic.org/news/interna...y.php?id=35377
    Updated: Scientologists in Haiti: Volunteers or Vultures?
    2/9/2010
    A mixture of messages is coming out of Haiti regarding the real impact of Scientology's Volunteer Ministers.


    AND THIS:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebecc..._b_510019.html
    Scientology Missionaries Set Sail For Haiti, Commandeer Coast Guard Boat
    05/23/2010 05:12 am ET | Updated May 25, 2011
    […]One of the doctors and one of the nurses told me that the wounded started coming to them to tell them they didn’t want to be treated by the people in the yellow shirts.


    AND THIS:
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-ad-misleading
    Watchdog bans Church of Scientology TV ad for misleading viewers
    Advertising Standards Authority upholds complaint that church gives aid to ‘24 million’ saying figure unclear
    Tuesday 1 March 2016 19.01 EST
    A TV ad aired by the Church of Scientology has been banned by the advertising watchdog for misleading viewers with a claim it gives aid to tens of millions of people.
    The TV ad stated that the church works with “volunteers from many faiths” to help people, including “giving aid to 24 million in times of need”. […]


    AND THIS:
    http://www.thebengalitimes.com/engli...01/19713/print
    A. S. Sajib is First Bangladeshi in History to Become a Certified Scientology Volunteer Minister
    10/01/2016
    […] “Scientology is the answer to solve the problems of human life,” says Sajib, who continues his work as a Volunteer Minister in Bangladesh. […]

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    I watched Leah's documentary interview and felt so sorry for her with her relationship with the church. We have a love and loyalty to our church and religious beliefs. I have experienced a roller coast ride with my church throughout the years also. We cannot easily walk away from what we have trusted all of our lives.
    just trying to make sense out of all of this

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    Hi Osintguyis here and I am new so bare with me... I am glad others are not getting this whole Scientology thing. In the quote below "When Montalvo turned 6, he claims, he signed a billion-year contract and was forced to work up to 100 hours a week for compensation averaging $35 per week."
    I have heard that before. I just watched a new episode where there was a former member on there who said he worked full time, got promoted, got raises etc etc. How can people pay mortgages, buy food, live at all on $35 per week?
    Then there are children. In the same episode I just watched the people on the show were saying that they were in Scientology school that taught only Scientology stuff. No math, English or other standard education. How is that even possible?? How is it the Government doesn't step in and do something about this if it is true?


    Quote Originally Posted by SeesSeas View Post
    The BILLION-YEAR CONTRACT signed by Sea Org members is a symbolic pledge of eternal commitment:
    http://www.scientology.org/faq/churc...-contract.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.91689cdce4e1
    How one woman climbed her way out of Scientology’s elite Sea Org
    March 27, 2015
    . . . she decided to sign a billion-year contract to serve in the Sea Organization in 1970. Scientologists, she said, believe in reincarnation, so you signed up for this life and the next life through a billion years.


    http://www.tampabay.com/news/sciento...e-laws/1155473
    Lawsuit claims Church of Scientology violated child labor and wage laws
    Friday, March 4, 2011 11:30pm
    A runaway from the Church of Scientology's restrictive religious order, the Sea Org, alleges in two lawsuits filed Friday that the church violated California laws regulating child labor, wages and school attendance. . . .


    http://www.law360.com/articles/26760...ild-labor-suit
    Judge Could Trim Scientology Child Labor Suit
    Law360, Los Angeles (August 25, 2011, 7:19 PM EDT)
    . . . When Montalvo turned 6, he claims, he signed a billion-year contract and was forced to work up to 100 hours a week for compensation averaging $35 per week.

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    Under the dome of "religion" is how they get away with it. "Religious Education" is part of that too. And people who join SeaOrg never own their own homes; they live in barracks and are treated like slaves. Can't force adults to leave a cult if they don't want to, and unless there's documented child abuse and it's reported to authorities, the children are under the control of their parents and, ultimately, the cult.

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    Some great reading if you're interested...

    http://tonyortega.org/2015/05/07/gue...t-and-a-fraud/

    Guest post by Jeff Augustine, who covers CO$ extensively. I'm not affiliated with the site.

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    I love this topic. I've been fascinated with how huge this organization has become and often wondered how they get away with, what those who've escaped are claiming has happened to them...

    I certainly find it confusing how such an organization can exist. But then, I think of the Mafia...

    I read Dianetics way, way back in the day. I remember being intrigued because here was a guy claiming he had learned how to maximize human potential, by eradicating all conscious or unconscious emotional problems.

    Clear the catch, of the human brain for optimized and speedy performance! Kinda made sense to me at the time, surely all those pesky mental illnesses and miscellaneous emotional problems could cause a serious lag time trying to boot into a fantastic life right?

    So I picked up a library copy probably just thinking it was going to be a fantastically promoted "self-Help" book. I remember feeling vaguely dis-satisfied with the offerings that were out there at the time. (David Burns seemed promising, but basically you could sum up his whole philosophy as, Don't Worry, Think Happy!". Meh. Not all of us had great success working on our "Cognitive Distortions", and changing unhealthy "Core Beliefs").

    Honestly Cognitive therapy is not wildly successful for lot's of folks. But Dianetics sounded more...solid... like some kind of cognitive neuro surgery, Engrams...Like tumors making you sick and slow, removed by some thorough "scientific" formula. So I had more than an open mind, when I began reading.

    Just going from memory, the forward and early chapters were engrossing and intelligent sounding. However as I continued on, It seemed to be becoming too "complex" for me to follow. I found myself needing to re-read portions, again and again, and was also becoming increasing uneasy with cult-like indoctrinate voice growing ever stronger.

    I got the distinct feeling that I was being led astray, by the language that was being used, I felt I was deliberately being confused, in order that I not question certain aspects, but put more effort into trying harder to understand, why *I* wasn't getting it...YET. ( Ya know, if I just became "Clear"...).

    I became more and more suspicious though, to the point that I don't believe I even ever read the last chapter or so, and here's why:

    Firstly, I was very put off by the adverts inserted inside. There were several cardboard type "CALL NOW!" you were practically ordered to tear out that card and rush to your phone to call and begin your auditing sessions! (I mean, why wait till you've had time to think riiiggghht?). I swear IIRCC these things were inserted on almost every two or three chapters and then another one, at the very back of the book!

    Even worse though, while was still digesting the cultist process of "Going Clear" and learning a new language (The language of Scientology!), I found myself with the surreal feeling that I was suddenly reading a Sci-Fi/Horror about each of our Mothers attempting to abort us! (With coat hangers and stuff). Dude lost ME right there! I re-read all the supposed "emotional damage" that we were to believe stemmed from RIDICULOUS, I mean way, WAY beyond the pale, absurd connections that were being solemnly pronounced as shocking, profundity.

    I recall thinking to myself. "These people are NUTS!" They're as insane as it gets. And then I put that away for a long time. I didn't really give much more thought, the commercials on TV disappeared. I supposed that they would prey on individuals who had a Achilles Heel of some emotional sort, that they could fall for this crap, like the Jones town devotees. Never. In. My. Life did it ever occur to me that Scientology would become what it has, and draw mega stars and like it does!

    I still can't quite believe it! I find myself wondering, why don't other Hollywood stars, who choose NOT to get involved with this cult, ever speak out about what they think about it? Don't the friends and family of people sucked into this, try and dissuade them form this madness? why are we not hearing more from the relatives and friends about their thoughts on the matter?

    And what about the rest of us? Where was the outcry? We as a society, and celebrities in particular, love to protest stuff!
    (I'm actually surprised there isn't a "Society for The Prevention of Cruelty To Plants" yet!). But I've never heard too much, until more recently, about this.( Alister Crowley got more bad press than this guy!).

    I am happy to see the light finally shining grotesque excuse for a "religion"! Wonder what took though?
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    "The enemy has only images and illusions behind which he hides his true motives. Destroy the image and you will break the enemy."
    Leah and Mike are smashing the illusions. Now they need to keep telling the stories, demonstrating the destructive history, surely the effects are being felt. Surely they would say the effort is worth it if they can just save one family.

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    Guess I am the only person in the WS community who is not interested in this whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EA18G View Post
    Guess I am the only person in the WS community who is not interested in this whatsoever.
    I'm sure you're not the only one, but can I ask why? To many people, the sociological and psychological aspects of cults are interesting to study. Also, it's interesting to see what happens when light is shed on the internal workings of said cult(s).

    Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman. - Justice Brandeis
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    On Comcast television demand it shows upcoming shows on subject ( I don't see another thread on these, if anyone can find such please post below if I cannot find any other episodes of this Leah Remini program either)

    Two of the below are new programs which have nothing to do with the series that we are watching here on this thread. They are upcoming also on the ID channel.

    Mark Rathbuns Escape 1/9..1 pm.. ID channel

    The next Leah Remini series for which this thread is based on.. 1/10.. 10 pm.. enemies of the church

    A Students Descent 1/13.. 8 pm and repeating 11 pm...ID channel.

    Going Clear (2015 movie free now on demand)..

    My Scientology Movie... with the release date of March 3rd 2017

    FYI


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackshand View Post
    "The enemy has only images and illusions behind which he hides his true motives. Destroy the image and you will break the enemy."
    Leah and Mike are smashing the illusions. Now they need to keep telling the stories, demonstrating the destructive history, surely the effects are being felt. Surely they would say the effort is worth it if they can just save one family.
    I really like, how Leah,at the first of each episodes reads something bad that the church has written about the person they are about to talk about. The best defense is a good offense! Showing that the church wants to rake across the coals anybody who comes against them.

    I have watched all the episodes and the movie that was listed and it shows that the reason they do *audits*, where people share their darkest secrets of their * wrong doings* ,is to perhaps use in the future for * blackmail *against the people that are going to come out against them.

    The movie I listed in the previous post was very interesting how they manipulated Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise.. that was so so sad.

    I think perhaps Tom Cruise disclose too much in those sessions as perhaps John Travolta and they are hooked for life, scared it might to do to their careers if it was released.

    What she is reading at the beginning of each segment shows how silly it looks when they do make church statements ( *bad things* ) against each of the individuals who have * escaped* from them.

    Well done Leah, well done.

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    I have this site bookmarked...I saw/read it right after Leah's last show Tues. night. I felt real tears of emotion while Aaron was talking about his identical twin brothers death.
    I hope this tell all show lasts a long time! The IRS needs to get involved, and revoke their tax-exempt status! Then they won't have so much cash on hand to get rid of by building all these EMPTY huge centers around the world!


    http://tonyortega.org/2017/01/04/aar...y-attack-site/
    Justice for Erin Corwin (1994-2014)
    Justice for Teresa Sievers (1968-2015)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bently View Post
    On Comcast television demand it shows upcoming shows on subject ( I don't see another thread on these, if anyone can find such please post below if I cannot find any other episodes of this Leah Remini program either)

    Two of the below are new programs which have nothing to do with the series that we are watching here on this thread. They are upcoming also on the ID channel.

    Mark Rathbuns Escape 1/9..1 pm.. ID channel

    The next Leah Remini series for which this thread is based on.. 1/10.. 10 pm.. enemies of the church

    A Students Descent 1/13.. 8 pm and repeating 11 pm...ID channel.

    Going Clear (2015 movie free now on demand)..

    My Scientology Movie... with the release date of March 3rd 2017

    FYI
    Oh no, you are right Bently! I just looked it up on A&E and saw the "Season Finale TUE 10/9c"

    http://www.aetv.com/shows/leah-remin...-season-finale


    But she does answer questions on Jan. 17th...maybe on reddit? (possibly a repeat?)

    ** 20/20 is doing a special tonight with Leah, and I think with Scientology's attorney
    I saw it on GMA this morning.
    Justice for Erin Corwin (1994-2014)
    Justice for Teresa Sievers (1968-2015)


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    Thanks Dmacky! Add tnight at 10 pm eastern on ABC .. 20/20 "Scientology: A War without guns"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bently View Post
    On Comcast television demand it shows upcoming shows on subject ( I don't see another thread on these, if anyone can find such please post below if I cannot find any other episodes of this Leah Remini program either)

    Two of the below are new programs which have nothing to do with the series that we are watching here on this thread. They are upcoming also on the ID channel.

    Mark Rathbuns Escape 1/9..1 pm.. ID channel

    The next Leah Remini series for which this thread is based on.. 1/10.. 10 pm.. enemies of the church

    A Students Descent 1/13.. 8 pm and repeating 11 pm...ID channel.

    Going Clear (2015 movie free now on demand)..

    My Scientology Movie... with the release date of March 3rd 2017

    FYI

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