OH - Coast Guard search for 6 people in plane missing over Lake Erie, Cleveland, 27 Dec 2018

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/coast-guard-lake-erie-plane-missing-1.3916407

Coast Guard searching for 6 people after plane goes missing over Lake Erie


Canadian C-130 aircraft assisting in search for Cessna Citation en route from Cleveland to Columbus

Last Updated: Dec 30, 2016 12:25

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The U.S. Coast Guard and Canadian search and rescue crews remain hopeful as they scour Lake Erie for survivors after a plane carrying six people disappeared Thursday night.

According to the coast guard, three adults and three children were aboard a Cessna Citation 525 that took off from Burke Lakefront Airport in Cleveland, Ohio, and then disappeared from radar around 11:30 p.m.
The coast guard said the cause of the disappearance is unknown.

During a news conference, Capt. Michael Mullen said crews are still in search-and-rescue mode and have "faint hints" from an emergency locating transmitter that could help them find the plane.
"I truly believe we're going to find something," he said. "We'll be very hopeful up until the point where we have to turn the search off and switch over to assisting with recovery."
Mullen said authorities are still hopeful there will be survivors, but said whether or not a person could withstand the lake's frigid waters all comes down to a person's "will to survive."

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http://globalnews.ca/news/3152790/u-s-coast-guard-searching-for-missing-plane-in-lake-erie/

CLEVELAND – U.S. Coast Guard crews searched Lake Erie on Friday for a plane carrying six people that disappeared shortly after takeoff from a small Cleveland airport along the shore.

The Columbus-bound Cessna Citation 525 departed Burke Lakefront Airport late Thursday with three children and three adults aboard and vanished from radar about 2 miles over the lake. Why remains unclear.
Searchers had found no sign of any debris or the people aboard the plane as of Friday morning, the agency said. Coast Guard official James Cox in Buffalo, New York, also said no emergency beacon had been detected.

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http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/12/30/airplane-lost.html#

Columbus beverage company CEO flying plane that disappeared over Lake Erie

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The plane is registered to John T. Fleming, CEO at Superior Beverage Group in Columbus. Fleming, a 46-year-old Dublin resident, was flying the Cessna Citation 525 when it lost radar contact over Lake Erie, his father, John W. Fleming said.

Also aboard the plane was John T. Fleming’s wife, Suzanne, 46, their two sons, 15-year-old John Robert Fleming and 14-year-old Andrew Thomas Fleming, a neighbor and a neighbor’s daughter, he said.

“They think they may have crashed into Lake Erie," he said.

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Mr. Fleming said his son ias “an experienced pilot,” but declined to say how long he had been flying.

The family and neighbors were in Cleveland to watch the Cavaliers game against the Boston Celtics on Thursday night as a treat for the holidays, he said. “We’re just in shock,” he said.

Federal records show Fleming's private pilot certificate was last updated in January 2015. It doesn't indicate how long he has been a pilot. He is licensed to fly single engine and multi-engine planes as well as helicopters.

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How sad. The weather here was pretty bad last night. A lot of snow and very windy. Driving home last night around 10, I could barely see 10 or 20 ft ahead of the car. In areas where there were no street lights, I had to slow down to a crawl to make sure I stayed on the road.

Not good weather for flying.

Hoping the plane will be located before the light goes down completely.
http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/World/2016/12/30/22693666.html

Tracking service FlightAware logged only three location pings for the plane after takeoff from Burke Lakefront Airport, and the last one indicated rapid altitude loss. Authorities have said there were no distress signals from the pilot.

The aircraft took off westward from Burke, then turned north across the lake, according to the tracking service flightradar24.com. The departure procedure at Burke could take an aircraft north over the lake before turning south toward a destination, Mullen said.
The plane, which had made the roughly half-hour trip from Columbus earlier in the day, is registered to a limited liability company under the same Columbus address as Superior Beverage.

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Coast Guard search for 6 people in plane missing over Lake Erie

1)) http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/dec/30/3-kids-3-adults-plane-missing-over-lake-erie/?nw:

U.S. Coast Guard says the search will be
Suspended at 7:30 P.M. EST* Friday night, until Saturday morning.



2)) http://nbc4i.com/2016/12/30/communi...appears-with-local-dublin-residents-on-board/

3)) http://www.oxfordeagle.com/2016/12/30/john-t-fleming-piloted-plane-that-disappeared-over-lake-erie/

4)) http://fox8.com/2016/12/30/report-p...lumbus-area-businessman-family-also-on-board/

5)) http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/coast-guard-lake-erie-plane-missing-1.3916407

6)) http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/12/missing_plane_was_piloted_by_c.html

7)) http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/12/30/airplane-lost.html

8)) https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KBKL

On-Board:

John T. Fleming, 46 - Pilot - Husband - Father
Suzanne Fleming, 46 - Wife - Mother
John R. Fleming, 15 - Son - Brother
Andrew T. Fleming, 14 - Son - Brother
Un-Named Neighbor
Un-Named Daughter-of-Neighbor

*EST = Eastern Standard Time


Our Thoughts to All Involved.

dotr said:

Hoping the plane will be located before the light goes down completely.
http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/World/2016/12/30/22693666.html

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The rapid altitude loss does indicate there may have been some sort of mechanical failure.

Maybe the bad weather and cold weather caused the engine to mess up or maybe there was icing on the wings that caused them to lose lift.

This unfortunately sounds very grim because even if they survived the rapid decsent then it would be difficult to survive in icy cold water for any length of time.

Prayers for them and their family members.

I have flown in small plane just once and it was not a pleasant experience. I am not a fan of real small aircraft because the turbulance can really bounce you around. It is nothing like a large passenger plane.

They were in a small jet aircraft though and those are usually pretty reliable much more than a propeller plane. So surprised they had any trouble. You dont typically here of small jet aircraft having issues as much as propeller planes.

Here is a picture of what it would look like and it seems like it would be a reliable aircraft. It will be interesting to find out what happened to the aircraft to see if it was either weather or maintenance related.

http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/acdata_cj1_en.php

The other thing to consider is if they lost visibility and somehow the pilot lost his bearings and could not read the instruments properly if he was not instrument certified with special training.

I have heard stories of certain pilots that are fine when they can see the ground but if they lose visibility then they have to rely solely on instruments and if not properly read then they can get really confused and not know which way is up or down. They call it "spacial disorientation".


The John Kennedy Jr. plane accident was determined to be this situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_Jr._plane_crash

We dont know yet what caused this accident and it will be interesting once the investigation proceeds. It would be nice if a miracle happens and search and rescue finds them still afloat and somehow kept warm enough to survive.

Keeping hopes up till we know.

search and rescue efforts have been suspended :tears:


http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-kids-adults-plane-missing-lake-erie-44468787
The U.S. Coast Guard says it's suspending search-and-rescue efforts for a plane that went missing over Lake Erie near Cleveland with six people onboard to allow the city to begin recovery efforts. The Coast Guard is no longer expecting to find anyone alive.

Heartbreaking, heard this on my local news tonight. I live in Michigan.

So sad. Hoping tomorrow brings answers.

Lmustang89 said:

Heartbreaking, heard this on my local news tonight. I live in Michigan.

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same here... we often take day trips to that area. Sad and heartbreaking .. I expected at least some debris would be found.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/12/30/airplane-lost.html

The search was suspended at 7:30 p.m. Friday. It will be turned over to the city of Cleveland as a recovery operation beginning Saturday morning. The Coast Guard will still assist.

Crews from the Coast Guard Air Station in Detroit sent a MH-65 Dolphin helicopter and a C-130 aircraft from the Joint Rescue Coordination Centre in Trenton, Ontario, from the Royal Canadian Air Force, to search for the plane. The aircraft combed 28 miles of coastline between Bay Village to Mentor Harbor and went 11 miles offshore, said Lt. Katelyn Waddle of the Coast Guard.

Federal records show that John T. Fleming's pilot's license was last updated in January 2015. It doesn't indicate how long he has been a pilot. He is licensed to fly single-engine and multi-engine planes, as well as helicopters.
The Cessna 525C he was flying was a two-engine plane with 11 seats that was manufactured in 2012, according to federal records.


Bristol Bay, a U.S. Coast Guard 140-foot cutter out of Detroit, joined the search Friday morning.
The Coast Guard reported winds of around 30 knots and waves on Lake Erie were about 12 to 15 feet tall. The water in the search area is 50 feet deep and was about 39 degrees on Friday afternoon.

several videos of the tyoe of plane, the search, community members, and pics of family:

http://www.cleveland19.com/clip/12998718/missing-plane-pictures-of-family-on-board-surface

I don't know *anything* about aircraft and how they go down, but with no debris having been found, it sounds to me like it may not have been a quick death for the occupants of this plane. Horrible to think of the terror they may have experienced before they succumbed. Ugh.

Search for 6 people in Plane Missing over Southern part of Lake Erie

8)) http://nbc4i.com/2016/12/31/divers-assembled-in-search-for-missing-plane-with-6-aboard/

9)) http://fox8.com/2016/12/31/officials-to-give-update-on-missing-plane-in-lake-erie/



On-Board:

John T. Fleming, 46 - Pilot - Husband - Father
Suzanne Fleming, 46 - Wife - Mother
John R. Fleming, 15 - Son - Brother
Andrew T. Fleming, 14 - Son - Brother
Un-Named Neighbor
Un-Named Daughter-of-Neighbor


*EST = Eastern Standard Time (5 Hours Before GMT / UTC / Z)
GMT = Greenwich Mean Time
LKL = Last Known Location
UTC = Universal Time Coordinated
Z = Zulu Time = GMT = UTC


Our Thoughts to All Involved.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/lake-erie-plane-divers-recovery-1.3917703

John T. Fleming, chief executive of a Columbus, Ohio, beverage distribution company, is seen proposing at toast at the Dublin Irish Festival in Ohio in 2008. A plane piloted by Fleming, with five other people aboard, quickly lost altitude after taking off from Cleveland's lakeshore airport Dec. 29. (The Associated Press)

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Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson expressed condolences to the family and friends of those who lost loved ones, as the city took over from the U.S. Coast Guard after an extensive search effort ended in disappointment.

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Officials said divers and other marine experts were meeting to set a recovery strategy to be run out of a unified command centre at Burke Lakefront Airport. They planned to begin the search at the last point of contact with the small aircraft.

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We just lost a couple and a child due to a plane crash in my area. So very sad and praying... lease:

Search for 6 people in Plane Missing over Southern part of Lake Erie

8)) http://nbc4i.com/2016/12/31/divers-assembled-in-search-for-missing-plane-with-6-aboard/

9)) http://fox8.com/2016/12/31/officials-to-give-update-on-missing-plane-in-lake-erie/


Last Known Location:

N 41.53574° ::: W -081.71591°
N 41° 32.144' ::: W -081° 42.955'
N 41° 32' 08.664'' ::: W -081° 42' 57.276''
UTM: 17T 440281E ::: 4598479N

310°, 2 Miles (3 Km) from Take-Off Airport
& Over 50Ft. (15m) of Water



On-Board:

John T. Fleming, 46 - Pilot - Husband - Father
Suzanne Fleming, 46 - Wife - Mother
John R. Fleming, 15 - Son - Brother
Andrew T. Fleming, 14 - Son - Brother
Un-Named Neighbor
Un-Named Daughter-of-Neighbor

DFDR = Digital Flight Data Recorder
ELT = Emergency Locating Transmitter - "Pinger"
EMS = Emergency Medical Services
*EST = Eastern Standard Time (5 Hours Before GMT / UTC / Z)
FAA = Federal Aviation Administration
GMT = Greenwich Mean Time
LKL = Last Known Location
NTSB = National Transportation Safety Board
Sonar = Sound Navigation and Ranging
Sortie = A Group sent on a Specific Mission
UTC = Universal Time Coordinated
UTM = Universal Transverse Mercator
Z = Zulu Time = GMT = UTC


Our Thoughts to All Involved.

Cannot imagine the flight losing contact only one minute after takeoff, my heart goes out to all the loved ones, friends and colleagues, waiting for news..

Wow, they didn't start searching today (Sat) at all, and postponed until tomorrow. From the link posted above:

A dive team was called in to begin the preparations, but by afternoon, officials said weather and water conditions would not allow for the operation to get started until the next morning.
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Tracking service FlightAware logged only three location pings for the plane after takeoff from Burke Lakefront Airport, and the last one indicated rapid altitude loss. Authorities have said there were no distress signals from the pilot.


They expected three vessels, all equipped with sonar technology, to be on the water Sunday.

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http://nbc4i.com/2016/12/31/divers-assembled-in-search-for-missing-plane-with-6-aboard/

Search for 6 people in Plane Missing over Southern part of Lake Erie

10)) http://fox8.com/2017/01/01/search-crews-working-with-favorable-conditions-to-find-missing-plane/ :
Both Current & Archived Articles

11) http://nbc4i.com/2017/01/01/recovery-of-missing-plane-set-to-begin-sunday/


Last Known Location:

N 41.53574° ::: W -081.71591°
N 41° 32.144' ::: W -081° 42.955'
N 41° 32' 08.664'' ::: W -081° 42' 57.276''
UTM: 17T 440281E ::: 4598479N

Just 2 Miles (3 Km), North-West (310°)
from Take-Off Airport, over a Lake Water Depth of 50Ft. (15m)


On-Board:

John T. Fleming, 46 - Pilot - Husband - Father
Suzanne Fleming, 46 - Wife - Mother
John R. "Jack" Fleming, 15 - Son - Brother
Andrew T. Fleming, 14 - Son - Brother
Still-Un-Named Neighbor
Still-Un-Named Daughter-of-Neighbor


ELT = Emergency Locating Transmitter - "Pinger"
EMS = Emergency Medical Services
*EST = Eastern Standard Time (5 Hours Before GMT / UTC / Z)
FAA = Federal Aviation Administration
GMT = Greenwich Mean Time
LKL = Last Known Location
NTSB = National Transportation Safety Board
Sonar = Sound Navigation and Ranging
Sortie = A Group sent on a Specific Mission
UTC = Universal Time Coordinated
UTM = Universal Transverse Mercator
Z = Zulu Time = GMT = UTC


May Today be the Day for More Answers.