UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #13

Fears growing for missing RAF serviceman who vanished after night out

28 September 2016

Concerns were growing today for the safety of a young military policeman who vanished after a night out and may have tried to walk eight miles back to his base.

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Camera operators saw him getting up and walking off - but he failed to return to Honington, the headquarters of the RAF Force Protection who guard UK military installations around the world.

Despite an appeal to motorists, villagers along the serviceman’s route and a search by the Suffolk police helicopter there has been no trace of him.

Corrie is described as white, 5ft 10ins tall, medium build, with short light brown hair. He was wearing a light-pink polo shirt and white jeans when last seen.


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Shiressleuth said:

Could anyone who knows edit this as to which rotate, which are static and which only take stills. Also are these just the public cameras?

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Working anti-clockwise from top left, I believe to be as follows:

Adnams - from inside of shop (CCTV shown)
McDonalds - from inside but no footage that I have seen
Cornhill Walk - from inside small shopping precinct (CCTV shown)
Car park / private? (CCTV not shown)
Greenwoods - roaming (CCTV shown)
Edmundos - from inside restaurant (CCTV shown in hub)
Corner of Thornton's (CCTV not shown)

Hope this helps?

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/319850/response/802518/attach/5/Bury St Edmunds.pdf

Please find below, a transcript of the Live Q & A with Nicola Urquhart, Corrie's mother. I am currently transcribing part two and will post this in a few hours.
Just so people can use as a reference. I asked admin permission first as I was't sure if I was allowed to post this. Hope it helps. x




FACEBOOK LIVE Q & A - SESSION ONE 28/12/2016


On the subject of Corrie leaving the horseshoe - He cannot leave the horseshoe on foot without being seen on the CCTV.


*User asks if the slurry pits at the sugar beet factory have been searched*


The slurry pits at Sugar Beet factory are fenced all the way around, police decided he shouldn't have been able to get in without CCTV or security guards catching him so they've allowed security to monitor it on their own. With slurry pits they know its dangerous and they have full assistance of the security monitoring as if Corrie has come in it means he would rise to top if he was in one of slurry pits.


*User asks if any mutual aid from other forces?*


MIT team part of Norfolk and Suffolk are involved but we don't know if they've asked for more assistance. Thats’ something for police to answer, i’ll gather questions for them and send an open letter soon.


*User asks do we have any positive leads?*


Not easy to answer, as we know Corrie has gone into the horseshoe area at 3.25 and has not been seen leaving on foot, only 4 vehicles go in between 3am and 6am - one is the BIFFA bin lorry at 4.20 and it takes 4 minutes to pick up the one bin from Greggs, which is predominantly cardboard and packaging, the way they charge the businesses is they weigh rubbish that they take so it was weighed in the bin before going into the back of lorry and it was about 11 kg. It was calibrated and there was seen to be a margin of error of a few grams. The police looked back at the previous 7 months history for that specific bin and it was always between 10 and 15 kg. Corrie probably weighs between 85 and 90 kg so there’s no way he was physically in the bin. Could there be other options? Yes but as far as him falling asleep or climbing in by mistake we appear to be able to rule that out.


The bin lorry has then left Bury St Edmunds and it has driven direct to barton mills roundabout then Waitrose (supermarket) in Mildenhall and picked up a bin there. The bin man can be seen doing his job as normal on CCTV there. He picks up rubbish and carries on with the rest of his shift. Now I’ve explained what’s happened with lorry but police also had a collision investigator to check the outside and under the vehicle to see if there are any signs of an accident and they had investigators check in the rear of the bin wagon and in the cab for any signs he had been there. That was a few weeks after Corrie went missing but still no trace of him in that vehicle and no trace at the scene by CSI that he'd been run over by the lorry or something happened there.


There is a reversing camera on the lorry but it doesn’t record. The driver has been spoken to on a number of occasions. He arrived at 4.20am and thought he saw Corrie in the horseshoe but through investigation by the police, this male is seen on CCTV there but it isn't Corrie. He has now been identified as people saw him on the footage in the pod and I have too, it was a man standing using his phone so it’s not the case that the bin man saw Corrie.


*User asks is it possible he jumped into the rear without being seen by the bin man*


Yes, it would be possible but CCTV sees the vehicle leave and has smooth sides so he couldn't hold on to it and he cant be seen on or under it as it leaves the horseshoe - given all of that though his phone left barton mills at 4.25am in the same direction as the bin lorry and has last been triangulated at the micro mass at Barton Mills. This doesn’t mean it was at Barton Mills, it means it was between 3-5km near the mass and there are other roads that you could be on and phone would still triangulate at that Barton Mills mass although common sense says that if he's been in that area and the bin lorry has too, and both left and triangulated within 1 min an half of the bin lorry being there its most likely that the phone has been in the bin lorry. We asked police to make enquires as to if the phone would work in the back of bin lorry as it may act as a faraday cage and we’re waiting for results. The results won’t be scientific but will give us reassurance that he hasn't been in the lorry with his phone.


It appears his phone has probably gone with the bin lorry and ended up at the tip but we couldn't be sure that he hasn't climbed in the back so we looked at the process the bin goes through at the local tip.


So, the bin lorry goes through a few different process. First, it dumps off everything from the back and it’s then sorted into 2 piles. One for incineration and rest is to landfill or recycling. It’s then sorted and put into other piles. BIFFA and the police believe Corrie’s mobile could go through this process and not be seen, but a body is too large to go through without being seen going to landfill. Incineration is a different matter. The process is that the burners are 1100 degrees celsius because they try to protect the metals that go through. Bone cant be burnt at that temperature, it has to be 1600 degrees average so if Corrie ended up there the process is that anything left goes to a conveyer belt which is operated and sorted by hand so metals can be taken, I understand on paper it’s easy to explain that’s how it works and it shouldn't be case that he would go unnoticed, however we will be looking for more reassurance of how it physically happens. As a family we are not happy that the tip wasn't searched.


I believe there are ways of getting information from his social media accounts and phone but without getting his phone physically, things like whatsapp you can’t see. Police can get numbers and times but they cant access the messages themselves. There could simply be a request to meet at this time etc and we need this to get more hope this is a mistake that’s been made, but it’s private land so we won’t ever be able to search with out permission, we haven’t stopped trying to get this to happen though.




*User asks could the phone have been taken by the bin man?*


I don't like to say this as he is utterly innocent and I don't want him to feel this is an attack on him but it is a question we have asked police. We’ve asked them to put a phone in the cab to see if still can get a signal.


*User asks have the flats been searched in horseshoe area?*


In the horseshoe a lot of properties look like flats but are not, apart from one. All others are business premises e.g Greggs, Eye Candy, Super Drug etc and nobody lives above. The only way to gain access to above these shops is at the front of the shops, except for one building which is accessed through a large white gate and this place is called Focus 12, a drug rehab accommodation for people to stay whilst in rehab. This centre has been searched forensically on a number of occasions and they have complied with all requests. There was apparently nobody staying that weekend that Corrie went missing, however i was standing outside on another week when two men walked out and I asked them and they said “Don't say anything as we’re not supposed to be here”. So the police have been told nobody was there, but I know people stay when they’re not supposed to. But there is only so much the police can do if people aren't being honest with them.


A large problem I have had from the start is although the horseshoe has been forensically searched and helicopters and cadaver dogs have searched back to front and top to bottom and been in every single room in horseshoe, there’s no sign, however they haven't done the same on the other side of the road. As easy as he can get into a property in the horseshoe, he could have got into property on the other side of the road.


*End Session*

I'm seeing a few posts with some concerns regarding posts about Corrie.

Just to clarify, as stated in the victim friendly rule below, discussing a victim/missing person's behavior - good or bad - is allowed, as long as it is constructive and relevant.

Corrie's behavior the night he went missing is relevant. It may be the cause of his disappearance; it may not be. But discussion of his behavior as a possible factor is certainly permitted, as long as it doesn't cross the line into victim blaming or bashing.

Corrie's sexual preference, however, has been addressed by his family early on in the Q&A section of their website, as well as just a few days ago in the FB live Q&A chat. The family has categorically disputed the notion that Corrie is gay. Unless someone can point me in the direction of evidence to support the theory that he is (wears pink shirts and an earring, has a puppy, likes to sing Broadway musical songs, or the like, won't suffice), then we are going to accept his family's position on his sexuality. Please do not continue to suggest otherwise.

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midsummers - do u mind posting that photo post of horseshoe yard/cars/ that u had on last thread a few pages back- so it's on or near page 1of this new thread - and anyone who has anything else that other posters are likely to want to return to /find useful etc?

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Quote Originally Posted by jessie View Post
Truly I am sorry after following all this, but we cannot be confident his phone was in that bin lorry.

There is really no evidence to support this, just assumption due to some pings/pongs.

IF C had been separated from his phone (maybe consider circumstances this may have happened?)

then where is Corrie?? This is the big question, not where his phone is/may be imo.



I disagree.

There is more evidence to suggest that his phone was in the bin lorry than not.

Other assumptions such as him being in a car behind the bin lorry are much more far fetched imho.

My theory: Corrie was hanging around hoping to sober up so he could drive his car back in the morning. He hopped into cardboard bin for a few hours kip then accidentally got tipped into refuse truck. During trucks journey back to the depot he has somehow exited it. Possibly disorientated/injured/concused he has wandered into the forrest/river and perished.



Missed you KS as the thread closed !

I have not suggested (nor do I believe) C was in a car behind the bin lorry. I also do not believe his phone was in the bin lorry.

We shall have to agree to disagree on these points.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that a "social hand grenade" who was pretty drunk, "talking to everyone" that night, apparently very "in your face", who would "go off with total strangers", could ever resist an open door, with the possibility of people/a party/somewhere warm to sleep inside?
Making his way past the entrance to the horseshoe, the open door of Focus 12/whatever that building was, catches his eye, he looks around sheepishly to see if anyone is about to catch him going in, realises there isn't and heads off inside.
Person inside thinks he's a burglar/dangerous, bops him on the head with something, kills him. Or maybe he interrupted something he shouldn't have and was attacked.
Sadly the expression regarding curiosity and a cat, comes to mind.

Another thing I've wondered is if someone was in Flex and gave him a key to Focus 12/THAT building. Could it be that's the small item is that he dropped, picked up & put in his shirt pocket on the CCTV footage?
He knows he isn't meant to be in there, he's looking for the entrance as he walks past the horseshoe, sees the gate/door and goes in? Not 100% sure what would happen for him to meet his demise under those circumstances but I don't think it would be impossible for something to go wrong and him be hurt.
The perp at some point, maybe for the second time that evening, exits the building, opportunistically throws phone, keys, wallet in the bin trunk as it happens to be there.

Just my thoughts.
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The money raised by the donations, are they using this to hire a private detective or is this money for a reward?

Coach said:

The money raised by the donations, are they using this to hire a private detective or is this money for a reward?

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My understanding is that the money raised will be to hire a private detective, At present Nicola feels that this will be needed to cover whatever investigations are not carried out by LE.

The reward money offered is quite a separate thing.

Discussing why Corrie may have been kicked out of flex, we know he was skint, could he have been baiting others to buy him drinks? I see it plenty from the cheeky politer way to people actually asking the barman for a drink and telling them someone else is paying

Forum members please be aware of NEW timeline...TIA

21(15): Corrie feeds the dog and locks him in the bathroom.
21(30): Two cars with Corrie's workmates depart Hon.
2200: Corrie departs Hon in his own car <modsnip>
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/what-time-did-corrie-leave-raf-honington/
2221: Corrie parks in disabled bay in Robert Roby Way.
2221-2250: Corrie drinks in his car whilst making a phone call to Darroch.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/71...-McKeague-awol-regiment-cared-puppy-Honington
2305: Corrie walks to SoBar pub and meets up with work colleagues.
2320: Corrie walks to Weatherspoons.
0001: Corrie leaves Weatherspoons around midnight for Flex.
Source- BBC Look East Evening News 12122016
0015: Corrie enters Flex night club.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9IR-qslpEw
0110: Corrie is 'ejected' from the nightclub.
0120: Corrie enters kebab shop & plays rock, paper, scissors with a customer and sits with a group whilst his order is ready. He leaves with a black man in a black t shirt with the numbers 78 in Roman numerals written on it.
http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/police_s..._takeaway_on_night_of_disappearance_1_4744362
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9IR-qslpEw
0130: Corrie leaves kebab shop with kebab, chips and two burgers.
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/isnt-it-weird-to-sleep-in-a-doorway/
Corrie seen walking purposefully towards The Grapes pub.
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/what-time-is-the-1st-cctv-that-we-see-him-on/
0300: Shift start time for bin man. Vehicle checked. Corrie&#8217;s mobile phone records show he sent a picture to a friend at 3am.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/71...-McKeague-awol-regiment-cared-puppy-Honington
0308: Corrie forwards a photo image to a friend from Hughes shop doorway.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9IR-qslpEw
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/has-the-text-message-corrie-sent-at-0308-been-looked-in-to/
0319: Two persons seen walking from Market Square towards McDonalds.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0321: White Tshirt man and two figures walking past Cornhill Walk towards Loom Street.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0324: Last CCTV sighting of Corrie.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=46UD0lk-c2g
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/when-and-where-was-corrie-last-seen/
0326: Two people with light clothing seen outside Cornhill Walk.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0335: Dark clothing1 man walking past Cornhill Walk towards Loom Street.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0340: Running man, Lurker & Legs man seen in 'Horseshoe'.
0352: Bin lorry departs (Hollow Lane) for BSE.
0356: Bicycle man, cycling around Cornhill area.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0400: Bin lorry enters SB.
0415: Bin lorry driver fills in collection paperwork. Three teenagers seen at the rear of Cornwalk Shopping Centre by bin man.
0420: Bins lorry driver starts collection procedure of ONE GREGGS BIN containing cardboard and paper with a weight of 11kgs of material in it.
0424: Bin man finishes collection procedure.
0425: Corrie's phone leaves the BSE mast area. Phone takes 28 minutes to reach the BM area. Link at 9 minute 9 seconds point. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9IR-qslpEw
Bin lorry heads directly towards Barton Mills roundabout and then on to Waitrose at Mildenhall for a collection.
0453: Corrie's phone enters the BM mast area (if the 0430 quote is extrapolated).
http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/11/has-corries-phone-been-checked/
0455: (Bin lorry is at Barton Mills roundabout.)
0501: Dark clothing2 man seen walking past Cornhill Walk towards Loom Street.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0503: (Corrie's phone would be at BM roundabout at this time if the 0430 quote is extrapolated.)
0518: Dark clothing3 man seen walking around Cornhill Walk.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0520: Dark backpack man seen in Cornhill Market Square area.
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/news/missing-persons/corrie-mckeague
0800: Corrie's phone is last active within the BM mast area.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ouZCCnULs34


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cotswoldemmie said:

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that a "social hand grenade" who was pretty drunk, "talking to everyone" that night, apparently very "in your face", who would "go off with total strangers", could ever resist an open door, with the possibility of people/a party/somewhere warm to sleep inside?
Making his way past the entrance to the horseshoe, the open door of Focus 12/whatever that building was, catches his eye, he looks around sheepishly to see if anyone is about to catch him going in, realises there isn't and heads off inside.
Person inside thinks he's a burglar/dangerous, bops him on the head with something, kills him. Or maybe he interrupted something he shouldn't have and was attacked.
Sadly the expression regarding curiosity and a cat, comes to mind.

Another thing I've wondered is if someone was in Flex and gave him a key to Focus 12/THAT building. Could it be that's the small item is that he dropped, picked up & put in his shirt pocket on the CCTV footage?
He knows he isn't meant to be in there, he's looking for the entrance as he walks past the horseshoe, sees the gate/door and goes in? Not 100% sure what would happen for him to meet his demise under those circumstances but I don't think it would be impossible for something to go wrong and him be hurt.
The perp at some point, maybe for the second time that evening, exits the building, opportunistically throws phone, keys, wallet in the bin trunk as it happens to be there.

Just my thoughts.
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BIB- IF something untoward happened to Corrie in the HS or in a building nearby perpetrated by someone else, why would the perp dispose of Corrie's belongings (phone, wallet and keys) in a bin which could lead to them being found the next morning providing proof that something happened in that location. Imo, it would make more sense for the perp to switch off the phone and dispose of all 3 items along with Corrie.
IF the phone ended up in the bin, it either means an AWOL situation or it was accidentally lost/disposed of (IMO) and I don't buy either of those scenarios.

So now that we have a little more information to work with from the Q&A session, it looks like we have possible answers to scenario one;
Corrie may have put his phone on top of the first 1100ltr cardboard/paper bin to have a pee and either the bin lorry driver is telling fibs and found his phone whilst emptying the bin. He then later perhaps realised it was locked or useless at Waitrose Mildenhall when he had chance to examine it whilst stationary and stuffed it inside the cardboard for disposal OR...
Corrie physically disposed of his phone into the correct bin or the passing bin wagon (rhetorical statement).

Scenario two:
Remains extant.


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cottonweaver said:

midsummers - do u mind posting that photo post of horseshoe yard/cars/ that u had on last thread a few pages back- so it's on or near page 1of this new thread - and anyone who has anything else that other posters are likely to want to return to /find useful etc?

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MidsummersDay said:

So now that we have a little more information to work with from the Q&A session, it looks like we have possible answers to scenario one;
Corrie may have put his phone on top of the first 1100ltr cardboard/paper bin to have a pee and either the bin lorry driver is telling fibs and found his phone whilst emptying the bin. He then later perhaps realised it was locked or useless at Waitrose Mildenhall when he had chance to examine it whilst stationary and stuffed it inside the cardboard for disposal OR...
Corrie physically disposed of his phone into the correct bin or the passing bin wagon (rhetorical statement).

Scenario two:
Remains extant.


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Is it realistic to assume that the bin man wouldn't have owned up to finding a phone once he was questioned about Corrie being missing- I have my doubts

Jessie, do u have that missing persons invest protocols etc. link still handy?

ETA Clevercat post above me^ , wish they would put out an "amnesty"announcement on that phone ( as Mum did re. under-age drinker witnesses) so that anyone who found it but not involved in his disapp could come forward.

cottonweaver said:

Jessie, do u have that missing persons invest protocols etc. link still handy?

ETA Clevercat post above me^ , wish they would put out an "amnesty"announcement on that phone ( as Mum did re. under-age drinker witnesses) so that anyone who found it but not involved in his disapp could come forward.

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'Wholeheartedly agree!