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    S1 Ep 6 Auditing - A&E Leah Remini - Scientology and the Aftermath

    Last night's episode was the most heartbreaking.

    Basically, one twin brother was immersed in Scientology and the other twin was not.

    Scientology brother separated from his non-Scientology brother because he was an S. P. Cut him totally out of his life.

    The non-Scientology brother was killed in a car accident.

    The regret the twin feels was palpable I couldn't stop crying.
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    Agreed this was a heartbreaking episode.

    I can't even believe people are willing to live like that. Hats off to Leah Remini and Mike Rinder for bringing this out to the public!

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    I agree. It was so very sad. Aaron seemed like such a likable guy and funny, too--that bit about the neighbor who was willing to break off her relationships with his kids but not the dog was seriously messed up... and hilarious.

    I love this series I had heard that Scientology was mostly a business/about money, but I had NO idea about this other stuff... coerced abortions. Unbelievable.

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    Both brothers were deeply immersed in $cientology and from a young age of 11, when their single mother, looking for something more in her life, joined the cult. The boys started taking auditing classes at the FL Flag center and excelled at the training. One twin was the first ever to complete a new video training regimen.

    Then the evil warlord (David Miscavage) decided to change the auditing training, making it much harder and longer and everyone had to retake all the training again. The one twin who had excelled could not complete the harder course successfully and this was a huge big deal. That twin decided he was done so he arranged to get his father (who was not in $cientology) to fly him to MN. The mother flew to MN and got the son to return. But the son was never treated the same in the cult and he was eventually booted to Philly, alone, to work in the cult there.

    The other son/twin, kept going in $cientology in FL, and stayed in the cult for 29 years, eventually joining the SeaOrg and marrying a woman he met there. The twins became estranged because the one in Philly dropped out completely, got his GED and went to college and of course was summarily booted from the cult and declared a SP (suppressive person). That twin tragically died in a car accident some years later and the 2 brothers had been estranged all that time.

    Just another example of how this cult tears apart families and generations of family members.
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    Some of the techniques this cult uses on its members is similar to things the Nazi's did during WWII. Especially where they turn people against each other, have them tattle/rat each other out because they're told if they don't they will be in trouble. The separation of family members, the living and working in barrack type structures from sunup to sundown, the constant threat of being in trouble and being watched....

    Horrible.

    David Miscavage is a little Hitler. Evil, diabolical, dangerous, sociopath.

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    I missed the last few episodes but taped them so I need to catch up and watch them from my DVR.

    Here are some observations from some of the others i did see.

    ---What is amazingly sad to me is when this organization (cult) talks about people's "crimes" against their organization there really is nothing the person did. Absolutely nothing of any seriousness. And yet they put them in punishments that make it seem the person committed a serious crime or something. Its insane.

    There is talk of putting people in the solitary confinement type buildings like where his wife is and I am thinking what the heck did they do? They didnt even do anything much wrong. Maybe just disagreed with something but nothing serious to warrant that punishment.

    Its a true sign of serious brainwashing since the people must think they really did crimes against the organization. Normal folks would say "this is not right" and get out as fast as they could.

    ---Another sign of some serious brainwashing. When you saw some of the episodes of the scientology people harrassing other people they do it with such evilness and meanness. You can sense they are filled with rage against outside folks that disagree with them. That is not normal.

    Most people who disagree with someone would just kindly ignore the other persons views but this group gets violent and mean against people who disagree with them. That is a true sign of some serious brainwashing.

    They cant be wrong in their minds or their whole existence is for nothing.

    ---I didnt realize there is a lifetime contract and the organization tries to force people to stay with the threat of owing the money for the classes. WTH Its a way of controlling the people to force them to stay in the group. Give it free at first but then you cant leave unless you had tons of money that most do not have. That is so messed up.

    This is no church by any stretch of the definition.

    ---Their books and classes that they force their members to take give them nothing of value in the real world if a member wants to leave.

    Its not like they can list anything on a resume that they graduated with a college degree or anything. Their teachings are their own and are not recognized by companies so its useless all that training to members that want to leave the group.

    They must feel so helpless and feel forced to stay since they have no real skills or training that can help them get a job on the outside world.

    Its another form of control the group uses on its members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfield View Post
    ---Their books and classes that they force their members to take give them nothing of value in the real world if a member wants to leave.

    Its not like they can list anything on a resume that they graduated with a college degree or anything. Their teachings are their own and are not recognized by companies so its useless all that training to members that want to leave the group.

    They must feel so helpless and feel forced to stay since they have no real skills or training that can help them get a job on the outside world.

    Its another form of control the group uses on its members.
    I just wanted to mention that almost everything you are talking about is about Sea Org members and not just average CoS members. An average CoS member would probably have a job in the outside world and would have been trained for it normally, by going to college or learning on the job, and therefore would have skills and a resume to take with them after leaving. It's also true of many Sea Org members, especially if they joined later in life after they had some college/work experience. Also some of them get real world training that "translates" in the outside world. Like the ones who worked for Golden Era Productions, they have tech experience making movies, videos, advertising, music cds etc.

    I think the worst part is losing all the people you know and love, your family and friends, and I think that holds people to CoS more than anything. I also think CoS knows that and why they have "Disconnection" as a policy is that it forces people to stay, or at least much longer than they ever wanted to. I can't imagine going off and leaving behind my husband and sons, parents, possibly even aunts, uncles, cousins, your closest friends are probably scientologists so I'd be leaving all them behind too. You're going out into the world completely alone, I couldn't do it. Leah got really lucky that everyone loved her more than they believed in Scientology!

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    One thing I am noticing that I did not know before is that it seems a lot of these stories include a woman on her own with children to support. And I believe this was the case for Leah Remini's mother also.

    So this "church" was supplying these (likely uneducated and incapable of self-support) single mothers with a job, a place to live, and free babysitting services for their children. It is easy enough to see the appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysShocked View Post
    One thing I am noticing that I did not know before is that it seems a lot of these stories include a woman on her own with children to support. And I believe this was the case for Leah Remini's mother also.

    So this "church" was supplying these (likely uneducated and incapable of self-support) single mothers with a job, a place to live, and free babysitting services for their children. It is easy enough to see the appeal.
    Like lots of cults, they prey on vulnerable people. Young people who are naive, people who are having a hard time with a career or their personal lives, single parents that are struggling. If your life is going the exact way you want it to, you are just not going to go looking for answers Scientology says they provide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buggiegirl View Post
    Like lots of cults, they prey on vulnerable people. Young people who are naive, people who are having a hard time with a career or their personal lives, single parents that are struggling. If your life is going the exact way you want it to, you are just not going to go looking for answers Scientology says they provide.
    True, but couldn't we say that of every religion? I've never heard a Born Again Christian testify that he or she was anything but lost when s/he suddenly "found" Christ.

    And haven't we heard almost every interviewee say the initial courses and readings WERE helpful to them? (Who knows why? Maybe they just needed somebody to talk to.)

    It's the later, full-time immersion and living under the thumb of COB Miscavige that is so abusive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    True, but couldn't we say that of every religion? I've never heard a Born Again Christian testify that he or she was anything but lost when s/he suddenly "found" Christ.

    And haven't we heard almost every interviewee say the initial courses and readings WERE helpful to them? (Who knows why? Maybe they just needed somebody to talk to.)

    It's the later, full-time immersion and living under the thumb of COB Miscavige that is so abusive.
    I am an atheist and I am not a fan of any organized religion, but there is a massive difference between Scientology and growing up Catholic like I did. I decided I didn't believe any of that god stuff, and slowly left, told my parents as gently as I could that I was not a believer and never would be, and absolutely no one cared at all. My parents were sad for a bit but got over it and basically left the church as well (they could not handle the pedophile scandals or the church sticking its nose into politics), and the Catholic church sure as heck never hunted me down or cared that I left, didn't believe, was vocal about being a nonbeliever etc. And on top of all that, for a few years after I decided I didn't believe, I still went to Christmas Eve mass with my parents because they appreciated me being there and I like the music and decorations, so whatever. I wasn't approached to come back, I wasn't shunned at the door. Noooone of that would happen with Scientology, so there is a HUGE difference.

    But I do completely agree that a lot of people who are lost find religion because they are looking for answers. One reason I find I don't need religion or god is because I don't care about the answers. Death doesn't bother me, I don't wonder "what comes next" and I am cool with the science explanations for why we are here, where we came from, etc.

    They do say that low level Scientologists can quietly leave and not deal with being stalked or forced to disconnect, and that those things are generally reserved for Sea Org members. But even the low level Scientologists are forced to do Scient. work every single day, for hours a day. As a Catholic growing up, I went to church Sunday mornings for 1 hour, and CCD before church for 1 hour. That was the entirety of my required participation. And IMO, that was my parents requiring it, not the church. I could have gone to mass every week and not done the whole CCD thing and no one would have known.
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    This week was the first time I've seen the attorney representing the church. She just repeatedly replied she didn't believe any of the statements held any validity. Deny, deny, deny. A good lawyer appears comfortable & confident, not defensive or off putting through words or body language, and certainly not through sarcasm. In this particular case, she absolutely didn't want to appear bullyish, which is a main allegation made by prior members. A good lawyer gives facts to validate their clients' stand on things, statements to suggest why the accuser would choose to bring an action at all, other than some fault of the client. This attorney seemed snarky, unprofessional. I was surprised that the high standards boasted by the church wasn't reflected in their selection of a legal spokesperson in my opinion.

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    The attorney's answers did not impress me or alleviate my concerns about this organization. That is the most professional way I can put it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splenda View Post
    This week was the first time I've seen the attorney representing the church. She just repeatedly replied she didn't believe any of the statements held any validity. Deny, deny, deny. A good lawyer appears comfortable & confident, not defensive or off putting through words or body language, and certainly not through sarcasm. In this particular case, she absolutely didn't want to appear bullyish, which is a main allegation made by prior members. A good lawyer gives facts to validate their clients' stand on things, statements to suggest why the accuser would choose to bring an action at all, other than some fault of the client. This attorney seemed snarky, unprofessional. I was surprised that the high standards boasted by the church wasn't reflected in their selection of a legal spokesperson in my opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by tlcya View Post
    The attorney's answers did not impress me or alleviate my concerns about this organization. That is the most professional way I can put it.
    Their "paid (big bucks, in cash) for attorney" did a lot of BLINKING while she was answering questions. Eye think that's a sure sign of lying not being truthful. wink wink, blink blink. MOO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splenda View Post
    This week was the first time I've seen the attorney representing the church. She just repeatedly replied she didn't believe any of the statements held any validity. Deny, deny, deny. A good lawyer appears comfortable & confident, not defensive or off putting through words or body language, and certainly not through sarcasm. In this particular case, she absolutely didn't want to appear bullyish, which is a main allegation made by prior members. A good lawyer gives facts to validate their clients' stand on things, statements to suggest why the accuser would choose to bring an action at all, other than some fault of the client. This attorney seemed snarky, unprofessional. I was surprised that the high standards boasted by the church wasn't reflected in their selection of a legal spokesperson in my opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by tlcya View Post
    The attorney's answers did not impress me or alleviate my concerns about this organization. That is the most professional way I can put it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dmacky View Post
    Their "paid (big bucks, in cash) for attorney" did a lot of BLINKING while she was answering questions. Eye think that's a sure sign of lying not being truthful. wink wink, blink blink. MOO
    These posts I quoted -
    Are y'all referring to the 20/20 episode that aired on ABC this past Friday? If so, I want to start a topical thread on that show because it was promoted as "The Church speaks out"..... HA!

    Let me know because if so, I will move these posts and generate a new thread on that show. It was VERY enlightening.

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