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  1. #16
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    I missed the last few episodes but taped them so I need to catch up and watch them from my DVR.

    Here are some observations from some of the others i did see.

    ---What is amazingly sad to me is when this organization (cult) talks about people's "crimes" against their organization there really is nothing the person did. Absolutely nothing of any seriousness. And yet they put them in punishments that make it seem the person committed a serious crime or something. Its insane.

    There is talk of putting people in the solitary confinement type buildings like where his wife is and I am thinking what the heck did they do? They didnt even do anything much wrong. Maybe just disagreed with something but nothing serious to warrant that punishment.

    Its a true sign of serious brainwashing since the people must think they really did crimes against the organization. Normal folks would say "this is not right" and get out as fast as they could.

    ---Another sign of some serious brainwashing. When you saw some of the episodes of the scientology people harrassing other people they do it with such evilness and meanness. You can sense they are filled with rage against outside folks that disagree with them. That is not normal.

    Most people who disagree with someone would just kindly ignore the other persons views but this group gets violent and mean against people who disagree with them. That is a true sign of some serious brainwashing.

    They cant be wrong in their minds or their whole existence is for nothing.

    ---I didnt realize there is a lifetime contract and the organization tries to force people to stay with the threat of owing the money for the classes. WTH Its a way of controlling the people to force them to stay in the group. Give it free at first but then you cant leave unless you had tons of money that most do not have. That is so messed up.

    This is no church by any stretch of the definition.

    ---Their books and classes that they force their members to take give them nothing of value in the real world if a member wants to leave.

    Its not like they can list anything on a resume that they graduated with a college degree or anything. Their teachings are their own and are not recognized by companies so its useless all that training to members that want to leave the group.

    They must feel so helpless and feel forced to stay since they have no real skills or training that can help them get a job on the outside world.

    Its another form of control the group uses on its members.

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    I've been watching youtube and reading a lot of blogs about people who have escaped scientology. When I watched the tom cruise video where he won the 'blah, blah' medal, I was so disgusted. He totally made no sense. They all talk about the good they are doing for the planet, but they never explain exactly how they are helping anyone. Tom cruise got all these accolades because he talked to billions of people about scientology????

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    Tom Cruise gets accolades because he gives Million$ to the cult, and like any generous and famous benefactor, he gets showered with attention and acclaim. He's their prize calf and they intend to keep him well controlled and in the fold. He doesn't see the treatment that happens to others, most of these celebs don't see it because they are coddled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysShocked View Post
    One thing I am noticing that I did not know before is that it seems a lot of these stories include a woman on her own with children to support. And I believe this was the case for Leah Remini's mother also.

    So this "church" was supplying these (likely uneducated and incapable of self-support) single mothers with a job, a place to live, and free babysitting services for their children. It is easy enough to see the appeal.
    Like lots of cults, they prey on vulnerable people. Young people who are naive, people who are having a hard time with a career or their personal lives, single parents that are struggling. If your life is going the exact way you want it to, you are just not going to go looking for answers Scientology says they provide.

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    I cannot tell you how much I admire and respect Leah Remini for doing this. She knows the risks- and does it anyway. Kudos.
    Six-year-old Shannon Sherrill disappeared from her front yard in Thorntown, Indiana in October, 1986. Someone knows where she is......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Tom Cruise gets accolades because he gives Million$ to the cult, and like any generous and famous benefactor, he gets showered with attention and acclaim. He's their prize calf and they intend to keep him well controlled and in the fold. He doesn't see the treatment that happens to others, most of these celebs don't see it because they are coddled.
    You may be right that Tom doesn't know, but somebody on one of the episodes said he has to know that the people who clean his house, detail his cars, etc., are all working for less than minimum wage. Obviously, I don't know the man. But it wouldn't surprise me if he justifies the discrepancy by reasoning that the servitude is helping the others "grow".

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    Quote Originally Posted by buggiegirl View Post
    Like lots of cults, they prey on vulnerable people. Young people who are naive, people who are having a hard time with a career or their personal lives, single parents that are struggling. If your life is going the exact way you want it to, you are just not going to go looking for answers Scientology says they provide.
    True, but couldn't we say that of every religion? I've never heard a Born Again Christian testify that he or she was anything but lost when s/he suddenly "found" Christ.

    And haven't we heard almost every interviewee say the initial courses and readings WERE helpful to them? (Who knows why? Maybe they just needed somebody to talk to.)

    It's the later, full-time immersion and living under the thumb of COB Miscavige that is so abusive.

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    What I find astonishing is the fact that members are well aware that families are broken up when members leave.

    The members who stay are forbidden any contact with their loved ones who have left.

    Yet they stay. I cannot understand this.

    Is the force to stay within this cult greater than abandoning family members? I can't fathom this.

    If so, and it sure seems to be the case, then 1) it definitely is a cult 2) there is brainwashing

    I can sort of see members abandoning family members if they were all living in a commune away from society. But these people are living every day lives. How can they not see what they are doing?

    I join in praising Leah Remini for all she is doing. Hopefully more members will leave. At least there is public discourse
    concerning Scientology and that is something they must hate.

    Bring it on Leah!
    "Every thought you produce, anything you say, any action you do, it bears your signature."
    - Thich Nhat Hanh

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    Cult members are brainwashed over a long time. They live in fear of disobeying. The pressure to disconnect is one of their foundational tenants and anyone leaving is considered among the worst of the worst.

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