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    Taking out the trash -Where's Jason?

    Taking out the trash can be a dangerous endeavor!

    . . .His younger brother, Michael, was the last to see him dragging our trashcans up from the curb while waiting for a carpool ride to his part-time job. . .
    http://www.projectjason.org/
    With the story of Jason Jolkowski in mind I ran a search to see what I could learn about people becoming the victem in a crime while just taking out the trash. The results of a simple web search on the subject were a bit startling.

    Brooklyn Girl Disappears While Taking Out Trash
    http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=34097

    Woman taking out trash is sexually assaulted, police say
    http://www.wvec.com/news/local/stori....a6f77881.html

    The Lincoln Police Department is investigating an series of ARMED ROBBERIES
    Employee confronted while taking out the trash by the lone suspect who was armed with a handgun.
    http://www.ci.lincoln.ne.us/city/pol...crime_stop.htm

    in the process of taking out the trash, when they observed two masked subjects standing over them. One of the suspects brandished a firearm and demanded money.
    http://www.sinclairstations.com/info...niabeach.shtml

    Armed with a gun, the man reportedly grabbed the cook as she was taking out trash just after 6am and forced her back inside the building. He locked three cooks in a pantry and then removed one, sexually assaulting her.
    http://www.schoolsecurity.org/trends...ence01-02.html

    "He was doing his morning routine - taking out trash, opening the store and waiting for a delivery
    http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld...s/12938934.htm

    Brookhaven Police Department Assistant Chief Nolan Jones said a man was taking out the trash around 8:30 p.m. Wednesday at his residence at 409 Second St. when he was approached by two men wearing ski masks.
    http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...d=172922&rfi=6

    ADAMS MILL RD., 1800 block, 4 a.m. Aug. 14. Two males in an alley robbed a male taking out trash at gunpoint. They fled in a vehicle.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...3100979_5.html

    Two hours later, a bicycle rider was held up and the suspects robbed a person who was taking out trash.
    http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/907617.html

    WARWICKSHIRE LANE, 100 block, 1:50 a.m. June 26. A gunman approached a man taking out trash and robbed him of a gold ring, a necklace, a watch, a T-shirt, boots and socks. The gunman, who was wearing a black hood and gloves and a bandanna over his face, fled to the Harris Heights area.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...0600970_3.html

    100 block of Wilson Parkway - 37-year-old man hit in back of head with unknown object while taking out trash about 8:30 p.m. Sept. 21.
    http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA...1/09290161.htm

    Oct. 18 -- the owner of the Sally Beauty Supply store in Butler Township, Butler County, was confronted about 9 p.m. by two males while she was taking out trash, police alleged.
    http://www.dailylocal.com/site/news....id=17782&rfi=6

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    68. When John Graves, 81, of Greensboro, North Carolina, took the trash out at night, he also took a pistol. He needed it one evening when someone grabbed him. Noticing the would-be robber had two accomplices, Graves pulled his pistol and shot and wounded the teenager. "All the evidence showed that he ... was defending himself," the local prosecutor said. (The News & Record, Greensboro, NC, 09/20/91)
    http://www.healylaw.com/self-def.htm

    656. Thomas Hall was taking out the trash at Tom's Liquors in Odenton, Mayland, when an armed robber approached with a gun in hand. Approached from behind, Hall drew his own handgun and spun around, pointing the pistol at the suspect, who then ran away. Nothing was taken and no one was injured in the incident. (The Capital, Annapolis, MD, 8/7/96)
    http://www.healylaw.com/self-def.htm

    822. A 56-year-old employee of the Illinois attorney general's office turned the tables somewhat on an intruder to the office's parking garage. The victim let the man into the garage after having been convinced that he was there to dispose of the garbage. Once inside, the intruder indicated he had a gun and intended to rob the victim. What the man didn't know is that the victim, already suspicious, had retrieved a .22 handgun from his vehicle. When the imposter garbage collector attempted to "pick up" cash from the victim rather than trash from the garage, the employee pulled his pistol and ordered the would-be robber to the ground. The employee held the man until the arrival of police, who discovered that the holdup man possessed only a crack pipe. The employee's gun had been unloaded and in a case, a legal way to transport it, police said. (The State Journal Register, Springfield, IL, 1/16/98)
    http://www.healylaw.com/self-def.htm

    Beat D2 8800 LINCOLN ST, 1/28 2045 hrs. Victim advised that while he was taking out the trash he noticed a vehicle pass by him very slowly. The vehicle turned around and drove away. While walking back to his residence a suspect approached him, displayed a handgun and demanded his wallet. After getting the wallet, the suspect fled and the victim observed the same vehicle leaving the area. Police located vehicle and arrested its occupants. See 05-8263 for arrestee information. 05-8280
    http://www.co.ho.md.us/Police/DOCS/013105.pdf

    Flores-Lopes allegedly took the girl as she was taking out the trash last night in Mount Vernon, Washington.
    http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?id=65279

    DETROIT -- Police charged a Detroit man Tuesday with first-degree murder in the fatal shooting of 12-year-old Robert Pratt, who was killed as he was taking out the trash after a birthday party at his home.
    http://www.detnews.com/2005/metro/05...B02-156090.htm

    Where is Jason?

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    I never really thought about it, but you would be really vulnerable when taking out the trash.
    Your hands are full, you are relaxed because you are in a familiar area, and you only expect to be out of the house momentarily. I've been known to take out the trash in my pajamma's Guess I had better start paying more attention!
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Again, another vulnerable point.Most people would never think they are in danger taking the trash out. This is what we do almost daily. It is like to have outthink the pervs because what we are thinking about doesn't enter into their minds. It is a really hard world out there.

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    Well, My husband's safe then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montana_16
    Well, My husband's safe then.
    LOL, I've got one like that, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew
    I never really thought about it, but you would be really vulnerable when taking out the trash.
    Your hands are full, you are relaxed because you are in a familiar area, and you only expect to be out of the house momentarily. I've been known to take out the trash in my pajamma's Guess I had better start paying more attention!
    I wonder how many other vulnerable normal daily activities exist - I know about getting into your car in parking lots, but I'd never heard about the dangers of taking out the trash.

    Amazing what you learn here.

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    I know that my husband and I never unlock the door or turn off the car until the garage is closed, it would only take a second for someone to run under the door.
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    I would think going to the end of the driveway to get the paper may be considered dangerous.

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    the watering holes of civilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Beyond Belief
    I would think going to the end of the driveway to get the paper may be considered dangerous.
    The thing I learned in researching this was that criminals, like predator animals, will hunt us where we normally appear, be it watering hole or where we set our trash cans. In my area trash pickup happens only once a week on a certain day so they know you won't willingly miss that date.

    Would a stranger to the area know what day? I don't know how long it would take a stranger to learn what date trash pickup was in a certain part of town but I am thinking it sounds less like like a crime by stranger-to-the-area if trash pickup happens only on a certain day.

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    That was really interesting. My trash is picked up on Thursday and half of the time I forget about it until around midnight or later so I'm running around hauling the trash and recycling out to the curb. I go in my nightgown and haven't given it a thought. I guess I figure at my age no one is going to abduct me or do anything else to me. Guess I had better think again because age really doesn't matter when it comes to crime.

    What I always wonder is how abductors manage to take adults? They must use guns and force them into a vehicle. Look how tall Kelly's boy is. Someone would have a fight on their hands if they didn't have a weapon wouldn't they?

    Speaking of Kelly's son...do they know for sure that he was taken from the home area or was that just the last place he was seen? If his ride didn't show for some reason he could have started walking or hitching a ride.


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    Unhappy

    It is amazing (and scary) when you think about how many routines we have and how vulnerable we make ourselves by practicing certain rituals at the same time of day, same time each week...taking out the trash, going to the bank or ATM, grocery store, convenience store late at night etc. It really makes you realize how things are ... you can never be off guard...sad.

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    Actually Jason i believe took the trash out fine, he was waiting for a car to pick him up to take him to work. witnesses saw him get into a car (but don't know if it was the one destined to take him to work or not) and he was never seen or heard from again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khavna
    Actually Jason i believe took the trash out fine, he was waiting for a car to pick him up to take him to work. witnesses saw him get into a car (but don't know if it was the one destined to take him to work or not) and he was never seen or heard from again
    I'm not sure where you received your information. Perhaps you are confusing it with another case.

    Jason was last seen in our driveway by both the neighbor and our then 13 yr old son. He was bringing in the trash cans. He was then to walk to a high school 7 blocks away to be picked up and taken to work. He never made it there.

    He was never seen again after being seen in our driveway. There were no witnesses seeing him get into a car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly
    I'm not sure where you received your information. Perhaps you are confusing it with another case.

    Jason was last seen in our driveway by both the neighbor and our then 13 yr old son. He was bringing in the trash cans. He was then to walk to a high school 7 blocks away to be picked up and taken to work. He never made it there.

    He was never seen again after being seen in our driveway. There were no witnesses seeing him get into a car.
    wow sorry maybe i have my bad but if there were witnessing that saw him in the driveway then how come no-one saw him disappear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khavna
    wow sorry maybe i have my bad but if there were witnessing that saw him in the driveway then how come no-one saw him disappear
    He disappeared between our driveway and the school. There are no known witnesses. We know that someone knows what happened. Why they do not tell is what we do not know.

    This isn't any different than thousands of other missing person's cases. They are there one moment and gone the next.

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