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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by bflocket View Post
    I can't believe I'm saying this, but why her? Because she was his manager, like a person with authority over him?

    Dairy Queen manager is arrested after 'bullying worker, 17, until he killed himself': Teen committed suicide after she made him clean the floor by hand and threw a burger at him
    (the Daily Mail article linked earlier)





    Bullying seen as cause in the suicide of 17-year-old Kenneth Suttner
    The Columbia Missourian (Columbia, MO)
    1/31/2017





    No matter how tragic and unnecessary his death was, he didn't kill himself because of "a bully." It was much more widespread than that and had been going on for years.

    How can you single out one person to blame for what happened?
    Maybe she was singled out due to what was written in his suicide note. I'd like to read them myself.

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    I had some bullies at work, but the people on a different level were at risk of losing their jobs so a co worker and I spoke up for them. The bullies won. Interesting to watch how power works.

    I got a book on bullying at the workplace. Forget the name. Bullying on the workplace is illegal in many countries but not in the US.

    In the book, it explained how often a group gangs up on someone. That is what happened in my workplace.

    This affects adults as well. Too bad there are no laws in the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by TweekTweak View Post
    I am very sorry that Kenny took his own life because of a lifetime of bullying. I would never wish that on anyone. I just don't understand how a second-degree manslaughter charge would stick. How can you put someone away for 10 years just for being a mean person?
    I'm not sure about the "being a mean person" part, but she violated federal anti-harassment in the workplace law. I'm sure she can get time for that. I feel strongly that the prosecutors office must feel they can make the charges stick or they wouldn't have filed them. I'm wondering if there may be more charges filed.

    Rest Peacefully Kenny. I'm so sorry this happened to you.
    Last edited by LaborDayRN; 02-07-2017 at 03:12 PM.

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    A person can be bullied only if they allow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunther Toody View Post
    A person can be bullied only if they allow it.
    This is assuming there is only one measure of human mental fortitude. Unfortunately, we would not have mental illness or suicide if we were all Vulcans. I imagine if Kenny had a zen upbringing, or access to therapy, he could have carried around an invisible shield to protect himself. That isn't what happened though.

    It would seem Kenny wrote specifically about Harley in his suicide notes. It could also be that there is additional evidence to support a criminal charge. When I see comments like this on her Facebook, I am sure there is more than witness accounts to support her behavior being over the line.

    https://www.facebook.com/harley.jens...70?pnref=story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vail View Post
    This is assuming there is only one measure of human mental fortitude. Unfortunately, we would not have mental illness or suicide if we were all Vulcans. I imagine if Kenny had a zen upbringing, or access to therapy, he could have carried around an invisible shield to protect himself. That isn't what happened though.

    It would seem Kenny wrote specifically about Harley in his suicide notes. It could also be that there is additional evidence to support a criminal charge. When I see comments like this on her Facebook, I am sure there is more than witness accounts to support her behavior being over the line.

    https://www.facebook.com/harley.jens...70?pnref=story
    If she caused him injury it is a Class E felony, if I remember. Missouri recently changed their laws. That is why she is being charged as she is.

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    Anybody catch the superintendent of his school say the investigation into his suicide was, "a crock of sh**?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaborDayRN View Post
    I'm not sure about the "being a mean person" part, but she violated federal anti-harassment in the workplace law. I'm sure she can get time for that. I feel strongly that the prosecutors office must feel they can make the charges stick or they wouldn't have filed them. I'm wondering if there may be more charges filed.
    What law are you referring to? I'm not aware of any federal anti-bullying in the workplace statutes.

    Prosecutors overcharge all the time, especially if they are actually looking for a jury to agree on a lesser charge or a plea bargain from the defendant.

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    Let me just say, that this teenage boy may have been in the kind of family where he needed to work, possibly was expected to work, in order to help to support the family and himself. Maybe he couldn't find another job, I'm sure if he could he would have to escape being tortured by this horrible person. But jobs aren't always easy to come by. Also, he apparently was used to being abused and bullied, maybe he really didn't know how to stand up for himself. Maybe he had never been taught that? If he was a person with a very passive type personality, and with low self esteem, chances are without some sort of guidance / training / teaching he wasn't going to do so. And at this point I'm inclined to believe he had a minimum of family support. I could be wrong.

    That said, this woman was not only an adult, but a Manager, to this person who was not only still a boy, but who was an employee. She was supposed to guide, teach, train, supervise, and protect. She was not in the position to demean, to berate, to degrade, to humiliate, to abuse, to bully. Someone in her position should never be allowed to conduct themselves in such a horrific manner towards an employee, much less a minor. If nothing else, it's child abuse, IMO. And she should be required to answer to whatever the criminal charges are and pay the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neesaki View Post
    Let me just say, that this teenage boy may have been in the kind of family where he needed to work, possibly was expected to work, in order to help to support the family and himself. Maybe he couldn't find another job, I'm sure if he could he would have to escape being tortured by this horrible person. But jobs aren't always easy to come by. Also, he apparently was used to being abused and bullied, maybe he really didn't know how to stand up for himself. Maybe he had never been taught that? If he was a person with a very passive type personality, and with low self esteem, chances are without some sort of guidance / training / teaching he wasn't going to do so. And at this point I'm inclined to believe he had a minimum of family support. I could be wrong.

    That said, this woman was not only an adult, but a Manager, to this person who was not only still a boy, but who was an employee. She was supposed to guide, teach, train, supervise, and protect. She was not in the position to demean, to berate, to degrade, to humiliate, to abuse, to bully. Someone in her position should never be allowed to conduct themselves in such a horrific manner towards an employee, much less a minor. If nothing else, it's child abuse, IMO. And she should be required to answer to whatever the criminal charges are and pay the price.
    Lived near Fayette for several years until just recently, and you're right: jobs can be difficult to come by in that area, especially if you're not even an adult. If you don't want to drive to Columbia, you're kind of out of luck.

    His job was only part of his problem though. Even the Superintendent seems like he doesn't really care about this boy, nevermind the teachers and students that bullied him. In small towns like this, there's always one student that most people universally agree is ripe for being picked on, including the adults that are supposed to be protecting them. I saw it happen in my own small town (a few hundred miles from Fayette), and while I never joined in on the bullying, it's appalling to me to think back at the times certain faculty would poke fun at certain students. I can think of one teacher that would automatically send a student to the office just for kicks and giggles. No reason, no warning, he was a good kid too.

    Sad, just sad that this kind of stuff has to happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunther Toody View Post
    Its a sad world where this kids parents didn't stand up for him at every level. There is only so much a parent should allow a school or job to do as an effort to solve the problem.

    Then it is time to act.

    What would you be willing to do to prevent your kid from killing himself?

    Would you take him out of the school and home school him?

    Would you tell this manager in no uncertain terms that you will not allow your son to be harassed anymore?

    Are you willing to do something that may land you in jail to protect your child's life?

    Well..it seems this kid's parents failed him. Rather than protect him, they left it to others and now you see the result.
    I was not aware of Kenneth's home life. And if that contributed to his decision to take his own life?
    There is only so much we can do for our children under normal circumstances, and we have to equip them to at some stage be able to go out into society and become independent adults, and do things on their own that is our job as a parent. We can't protect our children from the harshness of life 24/7 unfortunately. In another year Kenneth would of been an adult and try and become independent.
    If he was abused at home, then how would home schooling have benefited him?
    The real world is a very difficult place to try and survive in, but everyone deserves support if they are going through difficulties. Were school counsellors approachable at his school? The young man needed help if abuse was an ongoing problem.
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    Teenage suicides continue to be a serious problem in society
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    Suicides among young people continue to be a serious problem. Each year in the U.S., thousands of teenagers commit suicide. Suicide is the third leading cause of death for 15-to-24-year-olds, and the sixth leading cause of death for 5-to-14-year-olds.
    read more at link
    https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families...icide-010.aspx
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    And sadly in my own experience teens are not always open about how they feel and parents don't usually find out the extent of their teenager's problems until it is too late.
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    What i do hear about often nowadays is how many kids suffer from depression and anxiety disorders, it's like an epedemic IMO.
    I know a few young people including my youngest who is 23 with these problems. It's imperative to talk to our young people, communication and knowing they have someone to talk to helps. And reinforcing how much they are loved.
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    Any more background information about Harley Branham?




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