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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunther Toody View Post
    Its a sad world where this kids parents didn't stand up for him at every level. There is only so much a parent should allow a school or job to do as an effort to solve the problem.

    Then it is time to act.

    What would you be willing to do to prevent your kid from killing himself?

    Would you take him out of the school and home school him?

    Would you tell this manager in no uncertain terms that you will not allow your son to be harassed anymore?

    Are you willing to do something that may land you in jail to protect your child's life?

    Well..it seems this kid's parents failed him. Rather than protect him, they left it to others and now you see the result.
    Do you have a link that states his parents didnt ever stand up for him?

    In many cases like this the child hides the abuse from their parents whether they are abused at school or at a job.

    I think its rather judgmental and mean spirited to blame his parents when I haven't even seen anything substantiated about them being neglectful or bad parents. No parent can stop a suicide if the suicidal person is determined to take their life. They cant watch them every second of the day and often those contemplating suicide hide their thoughts very well from those they love. They could have done everything they could and he still could have committed suicide.

    Even if they go to the school about the bullying often the school makes excuses and does nothing about it.

    His parents aren't at fault for him committing suicide but the sadistic cruel so called Manager is.

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    Hard to see how being mean to someone equals manslaughter if that someone kills him or herself. And if he was also bullied in school, why is the manager the one being charged?
    Just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    Hard to see how being mean to someone equals manslaughter if that someone kills him or herself. And if he was also bullied in school, why is the manager the one being charged?
    Probably because she was an employer, not allowed to harass employees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neesaki View Post
    Probably because she was an employer, not allowed to harass employees?
    Still don't see how that equals manslaughter. I believe in some cases charges are warranted-like where the victim is actually encourage to commit suicide. But in this case so far it sounds like she was just mean to him. She is also barely older than him. This is a slippery slope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    Still don't see how that equals manslaughter. I believe in some cases charges are warranted-like where the victim is actually encourage to commit suicide. But in this case so far it sounds like she was just mean to him. She is also barely older than him. This is a slippery slope.
    I agree. She's the scapegoat in this whole thing. She sounds like a terrible person, but she doesn't deserve to be charged with manslaughter.

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    From post #1 in this thread:

    A Missouri jury ruled that a Dairy Queen manager be charged with involuntary manslaughter for her role in the suicide of a 17-year-old employee.

    The Howard County coroner heard how Kenneth Suttner wrote several suicide notes to friends and family before he shot himself in the head in the early morning of December 21 outside his family's home.

    The Howard County coroner sought an official inquest into his death and after the verdict was read Tuesday, a Howard County sheriff's deputy arrested Harley Branham, one of Suttner’s managers at the Dairy Queen where he worked, reported the Columbia Daily Tribune.

    BBM These are all actions that have facts behind them that the general public are not privy to. The facts brought out in the inquest caused the jury to rule as they did and the sheriff to arrest Kenneth's bully.

    I'm assuming the facts led them to these actions and they were not guided by someone's uninformed opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by La Louve View Post
    From post #1 in this thread:

    A Missouri jury ruled that a Dairy Queen manager be charged with involuntary manslaughter for her role in the suicide of a 17-year-old employee.

    The Howard County coroner heard how Kenneth Suttner wrote several suicide notes to friends and family before he shot himself in the head in the early morning of December 21 outside his family's home.

    The Howard County coroner sought an official inquest into his death and after the verdict was read Tuesday, a Howard County sheriff's deputy arrested Harley Branham, one of Suttner’s managers at the Dairy Queen where he worked, reported the Columbia Daily Tribune.

    BBM These are all actions that have facts behind them that the general public are not privy to. The facts brought out in the inquest caused the jury to rule as they did and the sheriff to arrest Kenneth's bully.

    I'm assuming the facts led them to these actions and they were not guided by someone's uninformed opinion.
    I don't understand why the manager is being arrested rather than anyone else. The guy was bullied by teachers, students, it even sounds like the superintendent was negligent. If the manager told him to kill himself then yeah, she should face charges but I don't see any proof of that being the case.

    This someone said, this is a slippery slope. If I say something unintentionally hurtful to someone for instance, they kill themselves and name me as the reason for their suicide, am I really at blame? I didn't put the gun in their hand, and neither did the manager. Therapy exists for a reason. The real crime is no one threw a fit to help this kid until they had to.

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    Respectfuly, Wolfbeard, the point of my post was that perhaps you don't understand because you don't have all the facts.

    For instance, you wrote the word "unintentionally" in the second sentence of your second paragraph.

    But bullying by its very nature is intentional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by La Louve View Post
    Respectfuly, Wolfbeard, the point of my post was that perhaps you don't understand because you don't have all the facts.
    I understood what you meant, but you don't have the facts either. Thus, I'm not sure you're the right person to insinuate that my opinion is uninformed.

    Edit: Bullying isn't always intentional. If I say something cross to you without realizing it, you could argue I'm bullying you. If we're having a debate like we are now, one of us could say the other person is bullying. Bullying isn't cut and dry. Yes, this woman was bullying, but her ruling sets a dangerous precedence for what's to come.
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    Reading this brought back very bad memories for me. That poor kid sounds like me, 50 years ago. Same thing, I was a geeky overweight kid in a small town we moved to when I was 15. I was bullied not only by classmates but by teachers and local law enforcement. My parents complained and it just got worse. The bullying he got at work was probably directly related to what happened at school, it was like he had a target painted on him, it was open season on him. A lot of these little towns are just toxic. Filled with people who just love to single out anyone perceived as different.

    In my case I later learned I had a form of Autism. Nobody had any understanding of that back then so I just endured. I was actually contacted about the 50 year reunion a couple years ago. I refused to go. The guy who contacted me was one of the nicer guys I knew back then. He was saying stuff like well, we've all changed, etc. Maybe but I refused to spend time with them.

    At least these bullies are getting some comeuppance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snick1946 View Post
    Reading this brought back very bad memories for me. That poor kid sounds like me, 50 years ago. Same thing, I was a geeky overweight kid in a small town we moved to when I was 15. I was bullied not only by classmates but by teachers and local law enforcement. My parents complained and it just got worse. The bullying he got at work was probably directly related to what happened at school, it was like he had a target painted on him, it was open season on him. A lot of these little towns are just toxic. Filled with people who just love to single out anyone perceived as different.

    In my case I later learned I had a form of Autism. Nobody had any understanding of that back then so I just endured. I was actually contacted about the 50 year reunion a couple years ago. I refused to go. The guy who contacted me was one of the nicer guys I knew back then. He was saying stuff like well, we've all changed, etc. Maybe but I refused to spend time with them.

    At least these bullies are getting some comeuppance.
    I'm sorry you experienced this. I will NEVER understand people who get pleasure from causing others pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetCaroline View Post
    Hard to imagine what could compel her to treat another human being like that. I hope DQ takes a long look at their management training process.
    Well, her name *is* Harley. All joking aside, look into her childhood and I'm sure you'll find your answer.

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    I haven't been able to find any more news on whether a trial date has been set. It says here preliminary hearing is May 25th. Wow, does it usually take this long? I personally hope they don't let her off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetCaroline View Post
    Hard to imagine what could compel her to treat another human being like that. I hope DQ takes a long look at their management training process.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arbiter View Post
    Well, her name *is* Harley. All joking aside, look into her childhood and I'm sure you'll find your answer.

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    I have always wondered about those bullies's (Lori Drew, Jennifer Petkov, South Hadley 6, etc.) in the news childhood were like.

    Found this from another forum. This may have some insight.
    http://perugiamurderfile.org/viewtop...=192&start=150

    I agree with The Bard. A mob mentality can develop, even with as few as two people, and especially with three or more. I haven't studied this as Miss R. has, but I have looked at certain cases. It seems the everyday inhibitions we all carry around can somehow get short-circuited in a group (mob) situation.

    The other issue windfall brought up was whether cases like this where a woman was the 'ring-leader,' so to speak, in a brutal attack on another woman. They are not that common, but they exist. For example:

    In 1965, Sylvia Likens, a 16-year-old girl, was murdered over several weeks by a group led by a 35-year-old mother of seven children named Gertrude Baniszewski. Sylvia and her younger sister Jenny, a polio victim, had been left in Gertrude's care as their parents made the carny circuit. Several of Gertrude's own children (including 3 girls) and several neighbor boys joined in the torture and abuse, that led eventually to Sylvia's death.

    Karla Homolka clearly 'enjoyed' and participated in the sexual assault and murder of several girls and women over several years with husband Paul Bernardo. (1991-92)

    Janet Chandler's gang-rape and murder were facilitated by and participated in by Laurie Swank, her supposed 'friend' and roommate. (1979)

    Lori Drew, a Missouri housewife, led a group of young women/girls (including her own daughter) to tease and torment Megan Meier online (on MySpace) by first convincing her (Megan) that a cute young boy was interested in her, and then abruptly ending the 'relationship' by having a bunch of myspace 'friends' join in the taunting, resulting in Meier's suicide. (1996)

    In all of the above cases, there was both the element of 'mob mentality' as well as a woman playing a leading or prominent role in the physical (or psychological, in the case of Drew) assault.

    One would hope someone is studying these phenomena. In my layperson's mind, it is probably related to deep-seated sexual shame in the perpetrator. It does seem the most evil thing in the world
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    I would suspect Harley Branham has a lot of serious emotional issues coupled with deep seated repressed anger. Probably sexually repressed/shamed/frustrated as well. It often causes aggression, which can be extreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bflocket View Post
    I can't believe I'm saying this, but why her? Because she was his manager, like a person with authority over him?

    Dairy Queen manager is arrested after 'bullying worker, 17, until he killed himself': Teen committed suicide after she made him clean the floor by hand and threw a burger at him
    (the Daily Mail article linked earlier)





    Bullying seen as cause in the suicide of 17-year-old Kenneth Suttner
    The Columbia Missourian (Columbia, MO)
    1/31/2017





    No matter how tragic and unnecessary his death was, he didn't kill himself because of "a bully." It was much more widespread than that and had been going on for years.

    How can you single out one person to blame for what happened?
    Because she was an adult and the others were children?

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