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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laura_Bean View Post
    It just doesn't make sense.
    It does if one factors http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...e-fusing-early into the timeline.
    Last edited by ad rem; 03-08-2017 at 09:12 AM.

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    That doesn't answer most of it. It answers one small piece but doesn't answer the rest.

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    Laura_Bean, your doubting this theory is welcome.

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    Anyone able to provide the name of the Cipriani brother who was in the fire brigade on the night? It'd be courteous to mention him by his first name. Would also like to know who Deville (current Wikipedia on this case) was so as to connect all the dots. That said, I am ready to provide a timeline of events surrounding the night in question.

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    All, don't take this as ad hominem,

    Quote Originally Posted by Laura_Bean View Post
    No way. See? I considered that aspect of it too. But here is the issue with that. One of two people would have had to be in on this. Mom or dad. If dad were in on it, he would never have searched for his children keeping their faces in the media. If mom was in on it, she never would have allowed her husband to do that.
    either-or fallacy
    false dilemma
    false trilemma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laura_Bean View Post
    Adding
    : Some people find it odd that there were two Martha Lee children. Martha Lee Sodder, and Martha Lee Cipriani, within that same family. I hear people say what are the odds of that? Well, it was VERY common back than. Odds are they were named after some family member, who was very much loved, left back in Italy when they came to the United States.

    Just an FYI.
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...h-Certificates

    Let's work on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Paradise View Post
    May we have a quick recap of what this case is about?
    (I know, but others may not)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodder..._disappearance

    WS. Am ready to present a more detailed theory thanks to questioning by Laura_Bean. However, I do wish other long term contributors to this case would question this theory. This theory is based on telltale logistics. I've read every post on this case. Fresh eyes. Prove me wrong. Help bring closure.

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    The major hindrance to closure on this case IMHO is romanticizing it as tragedy for a united family.

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    Maurice gets diagnosed with an inherited, incurable, severely crippling condition - expensive to tend to.

    The father tells rest of family he has sent Maurice away to a better place to be looked after.

    Mother, family and community concerned for Maurice's whereabouts and wellbeing.

    Deville [somehow] knows where Maurice's body is.

    Any of the younger Sodder children who present with symptoms similar to Maurice (14) is now faced with similar fate.

    Mother tells brother (in local fire brigade) of her concern for Maurice's welfare. Also tells children her including two eldest sons who have US military training.

    All Sodder family, apart from father, carry out a sting and rescue operation on Xmas, 1945. Also in on it are the local fire brigade and certain members of the close-knit community.

    The sting and rescue operation rescues the children younger than Maurice. It convinces the father, at the time, some of his children perished on the night in question. It also serves to cover for the father's dealing with Maurice. That is, the Sodder and Cipriani family know what the father has done but are doing all they can to work to a best possible outcome for the all concerned - especially the children younger than Maurice.

    Many decoys have been placed prior to during and after the fire. So many charges could have been laid but none are. Police, FBI and private investigators don't know where to start and all enquiries and investigations are lead astray.

    As a by-result - Life Insurance fraud by mother. The fire site is left for three days pending investigation before mother convinces father to bulldoze the site and turn it into a memorial. Death certificates are hastily issued two days later, including one for Maurice.

    This way, father isn't charged with any wrongdoing. Nor is anyone else of the night in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ad rem View Post
    Maurice gets diagnosed with an inherited, incurable, severely crippling condition - expensive to tend to.
    Ankylosing Spondylitis. As per investigation and proposal by Laura_Bean here on Websleuths.


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    This from Smithsonian dot com The Children Who Went Up In Smoke

    In August 1949, the Sodders decided to mount a new search at the fire scene and brought in a Washington, D.C. pathologist named Oscar B. Hunter. The excavation was thorough, uncovering several small objects: damaged coins, a partly burned dictionary and several shards of vertebrae. Hunter sent the bones to the Smithsonian Institution, which issued the following report:

    The human bones consist of four lumbar vertebrae belonging to one individual. Since the transverse recesses are fused, the age of this individual at death should have been 16 or 17 years. The top limit of age should be about 22 since the centra, which normally fuse at 23, are still unfused. On this basis, the bones show greater skeletal maturation than one would expect for a 14-year-old boy (the oldest missing Sodder child). It is however possible, although not probable, for a boy 14 ˝ years old to show 16-17 maturation.

    The vertebrae showed no evidence that they had been exposed to fire, the report said, and “it is very strange that no other bones were found in the allegedly careful evacuation of the basement of the house.” Noting that the house reportedly burned for only about half an hour or so, it said that “one would expect to find the full skeletons of the five children, rather than only four vertebrae.” The bones, the report concluded, were most likely in the supply of dirt George used to fill in the basement to create the memorial for his children.
    Last edited by ad rem; 03-27-2017 at 09:24 AM.

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    Link referencing the above post is http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histor...oke-172429802/

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    Mrs Ida Crutchfield of Charleston, West Virginia, owner of the Alderson Hotel, claims to have seen four of the children at her hotel three or four nights after the fire. She has signed an affidavit to this fact.

    http://shadplay.blogspot.com.au/2012...-children.html

    Four of the five, supposedly missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ad rem View Post
    This way, father isn't charged with any wrongdoing. Nor is anyone else of the night in question.
    That's where this was supposed to end. Accounts mention the Sodders decided this-and-that after the fire. It was the father, George Sodder, who instigated the fire site re-examination in 1949 because he loved his missing children so much - come what may.

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    Adding: to the vertebrae found in the 1949 re-examination. It was found uncharred. From another post here on the Sodder Family forum it was found in the basement? Supposing it were from one of the missing Sodder children on the night of the fire, that post mentioned that the child must have ran downstairs into the basement, passing obvious and easier exit points.

    To me, this indicates the vertebra fragment was planted during the fire site re-examination. IMO, it is likely Maurice's.

    I am unable to relocate the website that expanded on the condition of the vertebrae. If my memory serves me correctly it was Smithsonian with podcast and transcript. The condition mentioned blunt force trauma. Anyone able to locate it? I will keep trying.

    Planting the vertebrae in the location it was found was a veiled message to the father that someone knows what he did to his son, why he did it, and that he should stop trying to get closure regarding his missing children. The father was given the vertebrae. No-one is now sure what he did with it.

    Still, the father kept looking, come what may. He was unaware that he was being protected from arrest and of the Life Insurance fraud by his wife and some in the community for his children.

    So, the father sent out flyers and, subsequently, up went the billboard.
    Last edited by ad rem; 03-29-2017 at 07:06 AM. Reason: added words: fire site

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