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  1. #16
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    Minette, I could not agree more with you.

    I am the survivor of incestuous child rape that stretched on for years. The perpetrator lives free and clear because of where the assaults happened and statutes of limitations. My family swept it under the rug by the time I was brave enough to tell them.

    That being said, there is no way I could inflict that kind of pain, torture and life-long damage on an innocent child. It completely sickens me. I know that there are predelictions for the survivors of child sexual abuse to continue the cycle. We have free will though and there is no excuse not to stop the cycle.
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    From what they just said on local news, it sounds like the victims are family members. They said they are not revealing the nature of the relationship to preserve privacy. Sounds like 2 victims, one at least female.

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    This page keeps refreshing on me and my post disappears in progress so bear with me as I continue to edit.

    Below is an old 1989 article that explored the cycle of abuse (physical, verbal, sexual, neglect). I bet some of the info is outdated, but it's an interesting easy read. At the time, the statistic was that almost 1/3 of abused children end up becoming abusers of some kind (not necessarily the type of abuse they suffered). The other 2/3 (of which I count myself) did NOT go on to abuse.

    Abuse can really do a number on one's brain, especially a child's developing brain. The article mentions a number of factors why the 2/3 do not become abusers, including support (psychological or familial), their brain development (empathy and reasoning), among others.

    Let me clear: I do NOT condone abuse of any kind. There are no excuses, but I do think that it's imperative for abused children to receive adequate, early help. Sweeping it under the rug and pretending it didn't happen helps no one, but can hurt many.

    A 5 year old boy in our neighborhood was molested by a 9 year old boy. The 9 yr old's family promptly moved so we never learned about his upbringing other than what we observed (parents cussing and screaming at one another on their front lawn, Dad's multiple arrests for drug offenses, Dad's non-lethal overdose, Dad crashing into two parked cars in our neighborhood). Younger boy's family declined to call the police. Was the 9 year abused? we don't know. If so, he crossed the line from abused to abuser at an appallingly young age. (It may not have been a sudden transition, but overlapping.)

    http://www.nytimes.com/1989/01/24/sc...pagewanted=all
    Last edited by Elle*Bee; 02-13-2017 at 06:56 PM. Reason: Adding thoughts

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    Jeffrey S Sandusky for IDSI+ :: Centre County - 1 Mar 2013+

    Jeffrey S Sandusky for IDSI*+ :: Centre County - 1 Mar 2013+

    [Yes, Jeffrey is An adopted Son of PA Inmate
    Gerald Arthur Sandusky, ID# 39284341]

    Defendant:

    Jeffrey Scott Sandusky :: White / Male / 41 Years Old
    DOB / Date of Birth :: 04/05/1975

    Centre County is in Central, PA.

    1)) http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/...lting-a-child/

    2)) http://fox43.com/2017/02/13/jeffrey-...ation-charges/

    4)) http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/13...x-assault.html:

    "...suspended, without pay, ...from employment as a Corrections Officer at Rockview State Prison..."

    5)) http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2971461

    6)) http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...buse/97859942/

    7)) Police Criminal Complaint/Affidavit of Probable Cause:

    https://tribwpmt.files.wordpress.com...x000061634.pdf

    Lower Court Docket SheetS:

    A)) https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Docket...R-0000068-2017

    B)) https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/Docket...R-0000068-2017

    Fourteen Charges:

    1. 18 § 902 §§ A [F-1] :: Criminal Solicitation – Statutory Sexual Assault: 11+ Years Older 03/01/2013

    2. 18 § 902 §§ A [F-1] :: Criminal Solicitation –
    IDSI* Person Less Than 16 Yrs Age 03/01/2013

    3. 18 § 902 §§ A [F-3] :: Criminal Solicitation – Photograph/Film/Depict on Computer Sex Act – Knowingly or Permitting Child 03/01/2016

    4. 18 § 902 §§ A [F-3] :: Criminal Solicitation – Photograph/Film/Depict on Computer Sex Act – Knowingly or Permitting Child 03/01/2016

    5. 18 § 6318 §§ A5 [F-2] :: Contact / Communication With Minor-Sexual Abuse 03/01/2013

    6. 18 § 6318 §§ A5 [F-2] :: Contact/Comm.W/Minor-Sexual Abuse 03/01/2013

    7. 18 § 6318 §§ A5 [F-2] :: Contact/Comm.W/Minor-Sexual Abuse 03/01/2013

    8. 18 § 6318 §§ A5 [F-2] :: Contact/Comm.W/Minor-Sexual Abuse 03/01/2013

    9. 18 § 6318 §§ A5 [F-2] :: Contact/Comm.W/Minor-Sexual Abuse 03/01/2013

    10. 18 § 6318 §§ A5 [F-2] :: Contact/Comm.W/Minor-Sexual Abuse 03/01/2013

    11. 18 § 902 §§ A [F-3] :: Criminal Solicitation – Child Pornography 03/01/2013

    12. 18 § 902 §§ A [F-3] :: Criminal Solicitation – Child Pornography 03/01/2013

    13. 18 § 6301 §§ A1i [M-1] :: Corruption of Minors 03/01/2013

    14. 18 § 6301 §§ A1i [M-1] :: Corruption of Minors 03/01/2013

    Pre-Trial Confinement in lieu of $200,000 Bail,
    at Centre County Correctional Facility - ID# 170147

    Grades of PA Crimes:
    H-1 = Heinous of 1st Degree; H-2
    F-1 = Felony of 1st Degree; F-2; F-3
    M-1 = Misdemeanor of 1st Degree; M-2; M-3
    S = Summary


    *IDSI = Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse,
    (F-1), a Felony of the 1st Degree
    NCIC = National Crime Information Center
    NIBRS = National Incident-Based Reporting System
    UCR = Uniform Crime Reporting
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaen View Post
    I agree with what you are saying on the face. But, in reality, children who are abused are at greater risk of being further victimized or victimizing others. Yes, I believe they have the ability to change their destiny but I know that it is terribly hard to do and the self-destructive aspect of the PTSD or psychological damage done is all too real.

    I agree that any of the people who have been in Sandusky, the older and the younger, should have comprehensive mental care. I would advocate that he never see the light of day again. But, I am so torn in that he was victimized and will never be able to escape the cycle.

    So sad that so many covered this up or turned a blind eye. More lives ruined to protect a dynasty, makes me sick to my stomach.
    As someone with c-ptsd, I could not disagree more. Victimizing others is NOT an aspect of PTSD, at least not an uncontrollable one. Abuse is not destiny, I will NEVER accept that as an excuse, nor accept it as my 'fate.' It's one reason abuse survivors don't like to come forward, because then they will be 'marked' as someone likely to abuse others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectingpink View Post
    this is what i am thinking, too. Did he adopt the children for his own sick reasons? Is his wife still standing by him?
    imo yes and yes. Each one should have been in counseling years ago, all children ever involved in this family and also criminals charges should have and should be brought against the condoning mrs. Sandusky. Again jmo, but if i were the wife of one of those boys, i would step back and open my eyes and heart if they have not already. No excuses, disgusting!

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    Even with no psychological help or intervention it is possible not to continue the cycle. I was too fearful to report what was happening to anyone. My abuser was my father's treasured nephew and I knew as a mere "step-daughter" that I would not get anywhere.

    I kept it inside for many, many years. Upon working up the courage [with a little pinot grigio] I attempted to tell my mother what he had done to me for years. She told me to, "Shut the f*ck up," left the room and ended the conversation.

    I was repeatedly refused psychological help as a child, and a young adult. Finally, at 18 I sought out help for my depression and managed to survive into a mostly well-functioning adult.

    My father passed away a couple of weeks ago and I had to go to California and endure sharing my childhood home with this piece of $hit. Because there was already so much emotion and drama encircling me I had to grin and bear it. It was very hard.

    I suffer from severe chronic depression, GAD and PTSD and yet managed not to kill the man who did this to me [I was 11 when it began; he was 17]. I also would never harm a child. I have two sons and would likely end up in jail for murder if I discovered anything of that nature happened/happening to them.

    Yes, there are major problems that stem from systematic abuse. However, we have the choice and the power, no matter how daunting our position as survivors may seem.

    Everything was against me, I should have been one to perpetuate the cycle but I refused. People need to stop excusing this cycle and realize as humans we have the ability to choose our actions and refuse what seems likely.

    If I was able to do it, anyone can. I'm not the strongest person in the world, but some things are just completely abhorrent and cannot be tolerated no matter what someone has gone through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetCaroline View Post
    So sad. The repercussions of child sexual abuse are long-lasting and far-reaching. No one will ever be able to convince me that Sandusky didn't abuse his own children. Especially after this news.
    Exactly and former abusers abuse, so who would want these children in their home. JMO, these women are not paying attention, don't care about their children, or just plain need help or arresting themselves. JMO but sick of hearing and seeing this happening to those who do not get a voice or choice.

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    The Sandusky's need to swallow their pride, money or anything they have left in this generational family and stand up and do the right thing, or we will continue to see this name in the news and in the Justice System. Hope some type of LE is watching them all. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetCaroline View Post
    So sad. The repercussions of child sexual abuse are long-lasting and far-reaching. No one will ever be able to convince me that Sandusky didn't abuse his own children. Especially after this news.
    Unfortunately, the Sandusky name will possibly never recover from this...


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    Was this the son that came forward at the last minute as one of Jerry's victims? I remember being totally convinced of Jerry's guilt when even his own son came forward. Not that it's any "worse" but just that it convinced me the others were not just after a settlement, because his son had nothing to gain from it. I think this must be the same son, unless he adopted multiple boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minette View Post
    As someone with c-ptsd, I could not disagree more. Victimizing others is NOT an aspect of PTSD, at least not an uncontrollable one. Abuse is not destiny, I will NEVER accept that as an excuse, nor accept it as my 'fate.' It's one reason abuse survivors don't like to come forward, because then they will be 'marked' as someone likely to abuse others.
    I wrote they have the ability to change their destiny but it is hard to do and that the self-destructive aspect of PTSD or psychological damage done is all too real. Jeffery Sandusky obviously is one person who couldn't escape the cycle because he didn't.

    I didn't say that a survivor is likely to abuse others either. I would appreciate it if you didn't take my words out of context while quoting me. What you wrote is not what I said. You can accept or not accept an excuse as it is your right. Just I can say that I never want him to see the light of day as I believe he should be held accountable.

    Abused children are at greater risk for being revictimized (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2572709/) and victimize others (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00854712). It is unfortunate but true. The importance of treatment for survivor and those in their life is critical in ensuring that a cycle is not begun or is broken.

    Again, we can agree to disagree but, please, don't take my words out of context or quote me as if I am saying something I am not.
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    JMOO but Mrs Dottie S KNEW what was going on in her sick house and is just as responsible as her demon husband!
    A very sick perverted family that ruined allot of people. Maybe this son will tell all. IIRC he stood beside his mom and dad. I just saw a piece of news (CBS?) that showed him with Dottie saying his father was innocent......so he was made to be a liar also? This is hedious........and who was all in the Sandusky ring???? JMOO
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaen View Post
    I wrote they have the ability to change their destiny but it is hard to do and that the self-destructive aspect of PTSD or psychological damage done is all too real. Jeffery Sandusky obviously is one person who couldn't escape the cycle because he didn't.

    I didn't say that a survivor is likely to abuse others either. I would appreciate it if you didn't take my words out of context while quoting me. What you wrote is not what I said. You can accept or not accept an excuse as it is your right. Just I can say that I never want him to see the light of day as I believe he should be held accountable.

    Abused children are at greater risk for being revictimized (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2572709/) and victimize others (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00854712). It is unfortunate but true. The importance of treatment for survivor and those in their life is critical in ensuring that a cycle is not begun or is broken.

    Again, we can agree to disagree but, please, don't take my words out of context or quote me as if I am saying something I am not.
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    Does anyone know WHY it is that abused children are likely to be revictimized?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bookboarder View Post

    Yes, there are major problems that stem from systematic abuse. However, we have the choice and the power, no matter how daunting our position as survivors may seem.

    Everything was against me, I should have been one to perpetuate the cycle but I refused. People need to stop excusing this cycle and realize as humans we have the ability to choose our actions and refuse what seems likely.

    If I was able to do it, anyone can. I'm not the strongest person in the world, but some things are just completely abhorrent and cannot be tolerated no matter what someone has gone through.
    I am so sorry that you had to endure the abuse and the lack of empathy/compassion/support from your family. I can see that you are strong and have worked hard to have a life, even a fullfilling one. I wish you continued healing from the monster that abused you.

    I see things like ability to break the cycle differently than you. But, I appreciate the perspective you have on the kind of fortitude and work that it takes to hea.

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