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  1. #376
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    Quote Originally Posted by vliam View Post
    Just to give you something else to stare at I suppose...


    I've laid the two images together.


    Hopefully that link works.
    THANK YOU. I have no idea how to make a GIF .

    My eyes are worn out.

    Now he looks like he doing "Riverdance" on the bridge.
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    I'm not familiar with that state or what animals roam around. But, here in Florida, people hunt for deer and a lot of cameras are in tree stands they use. They are motion activated. It's just possible if these are used there, or if there are cameras along the hiking trails, LE may have a lot more on video they will hold back until court. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpnola View Post
    No, I think yall are right. My brain read BUT a security camera took it rather than OR IF a security camera took it. Sorry about that!!

    http://wishtv.com/2017/02/16/police-...girls-murders/

    Police said a camera captured the photos of a man near Deer Creek between 1 and 3:30 Monday afternoon, about a quarter of a mile from the spot where the girls were found. The girls were dropped off Monday around 1 p.m. near the creek, less than a mile from where the bodies were found, to walk around and hang out.

    Sgt. Riley would not say where the picture came from or if a security camera took the photo. He said he believes there is one security camera somewhere near the trails but, when asked where the camera is, he said he didn’t know.

    *** Same article says this:
    Riley said one of the girls posted a picture to Snapchat just after 2 p.m. Monday.

    So it was a picture, not a video. Whew! Just catch the dude already!
    Post #338 shows the Request For Information released by LE asking the public for information regarding the man in the photo. It clearly states "The images below are from a video taken in the area". HTH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eekasaur View Post
    We know the pic of Abby on the bridge is from snapchat...it has the snapchat timer on there, as well as Libby's screenname. If they took a video THROUGH SNAPCHAT, would it also have the snapchat timer and screenname on there? If so, then it would make sense that the video of the man did not come from snapchat, because we don't see those items on the pics. OR...were the pics cropped to delete these items?

    Of course, the girls could have still recorded the man through Libby's phone on the phone's native video recording app, so this could mean nothing. Just a thought I had.

    Then there's the trail cam angle...and the passerby recorded it angle.

    So much to think about...blah. I just want this guy CAUGHT.
    Re: Snapchat. A screenshot of Snapchat - video or photo - will appear exactly the same so you wouldn't be able to tell. The timer in the upper right hand corner also indicates how many snaps are in that person's "story". I think the bridge photo was first and the video/photo of Abby on the bridge came after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggie88 View Post
    Apologies if this has already been touched on... I spent my whole Sunday catching up and then I woke up to a whole new 42 pages.
    Don't get me wrong its fantastic how many people are trying to put heads together to bring justice for these two beautiful girls, but it is very time consuming sifting through all the posts. Thanks for another informative day everyone.

    Is it possible he could be wearing something like this?
    Great thinking Ziggy88!

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    I know the source of the two frames of the man is a sticking point for some (myself included!) so thanks to vliam for offering us this new perspective of the overlapped images! Great job.
    I guess some will look the shift/tilt of the frame to suggest a hand-held video as opposed to a trail camera, but I think it is important to note that the images of the man have been cropped out of a bigger frame. That means that the horizon may have been skewed by the LE person using the editing tools as they framed the figure of the man to best capture his identity.
    Last edited by eucalyptuz; 02-20-2017 at 02:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jULIA_bEE View Post
    Sorry, I'm trying to catch up and I had to work all day so I'm behind. I haven't really seen anyone mention this yet. I was wondering if maybe the girls are in the video but walking one way across the bridge and possibly pass this man walking the opposite direction. What I'm actually wondering is if maybe they caught him on the video turning around at some point after walking past them and maybe that's why they're not releasing the full video. I don't know WHY they wouldn't release it because that's essentially what happened in Hannah Graham's case and releasing the full video helped TREMENDOUSLY in finding her attacker.


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    The great image work from vliam is clearing some things up.

    I agree, I think he walked past them, then he turned back around to abduct them.

    He could have lied in wait, at the far end of the bridge, for a while undetected. Made sure noone saw him, then followed through with his plot. There's a chance he did not have a vehicle at the park itself, again for concealment of his identity. Could have gotten into the park from the side where the crime happened.

    That way noone else crossed paths with him.

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    Can anyone give insight on this? In this video:

    https://www.facebook.com/WRTV6/video...4523478509092/

    At around the 3 minute mark (maybe more), is that big building the meat packing plant? And when he follows the tire track down that dead end road off that building and onto the street, is that the street to get to the bridge? I am only about 6 minutes into this video, but that scene keeps standing out to me, with that one set of tire tracks going down to seemingly nowhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by helpfindthemissing View Post
    I have not seen a tree. The pic people are saying is cropped out is one pic slightly smaller than the same picture. Please help clear this up for me as i really think this may be the sleeve of a jacket
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    agree with it being not a tree.

    The cropped photo looks to me like it was the first in the series. The un-cropped appears to be the second.

    I've circled the spots that I believe to be the same. IMO the right foot down (cropped) photo looks like his right foot is on the board prior to the circled front edge of the next board and his left foot coming from the board before that. The uncropped photo looks like the left foot is on the circled board with the right foot coming from behind to what I would guess would be the board after the circled board (assuming 1 foot down per board). It also appears that his feet start to point away from the whatever on the edge. I'm also using the platform behind him as a reference point. It appears he's approximately a foot closer or so closer (but I'm not sure the exact distance between boards)

    If I'm right (which I may not be), means the guy is closer to the camera and should have been closer to whatever is in the picture in the uncropped photo. We should have a better view of whatever that is. Trees don't move. But a girl seeing someone walking towards her might move to the edge, which would force him to turn a bit to continue on the path without running someone over and knocking them off the bridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imvp2 View Post
    The pants the POI has on are pretty commonly worn by middle aged men, but that jacket, it seems to me that is unique. The shoulder area and arms seem different than the body of the blue jacket. Surely someone may remember seeing that on a man in the town or area.
    He might have taken it off right after the murder. Also the cap (if it is a cap). He might have dressed up for the murder and that is why nobody recognizes him. Maybe he's a skinny guy, no beard, who wears a suit normally.


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    Whatever he was wearing: I do think there is a knife in there somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpnola View Post
    Can anyone give insight on this? In this video:

    https://www.facebook.com/WRTV6/video...4523478509092/

    At around the 3 minute mark (maybe more), is that big building the meat packing plant? And when he follows the tire track down that dead end road off that building and onto the street, is that the street to get to the bridge? I am only about 6 minutes into this video, but that scene keeps standing out to me, with that one set of tire tracks going down to seemingly nowhere
    Bob! I need you, Bob! I want to see on that map what is that big building, where does that driveway go. I basically need to see the route from the big building, down that road, and if it connects to the cemetery area or what would be the path to the creek. And does that spot lead to where the bodies were or to where the bridge is. I know, thats a lot of requests. I feel very needy right now! lol. But, those tracks could mean he tried to drive back into work through the back way so people didnt notice what time he came/ went. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falling Down View Post
    The great image work from vliam is clearing some things up.

    I agree, I think he walked past them, then he turned back around to abduct them.

    He could have lied in wait, at the far end of the bridge, for a while undetected. Made sure noone saw him, then followed through with his plot. There's a chance he did not have a vehicle at the park itself, again for concealment of his identity. Could have gotten into the park from the side where the crime happened.

    That way noone else crossed paths with him.
    He abducted them on the railway bridge in plain sight, and with the dangerous boards with wide spaces between them?

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    (Shades of Gabby Doolan as far as location site. I've had her on my mind from the start. What she went through can't stand to think about it.)

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    Shades of Gabby Doolan from the start as far as possible motive and locational sililarities. She has been on my mind from the start. What she endured is unspeakable.

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