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    IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #11

    MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trail

    Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at High Bridge, just east of Delphi.


    Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

    Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

    State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.

    Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

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    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at
    (800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to
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    video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

    RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

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    Just want to say thanks to everyone for the last thread not being nearly as much of a nightmare as some in the past.


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    I would like to hear from some of the new members regarding their theories with out mentioning any new suspects other than the man on the bridge.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ab01 View Post
    Have a question i wanted to ask that i have been thinking about? Do you think the girls were abducted and forced down the hill on the south side of the bridge and forced to cross the creek to where their bodies were found? Or instead do you think they were abducted on the bridge and forced back to the north side and forced down the hill on the north east side of the bridge to where their bodies were found. Did they pass the suspect on the bridge and he followed them back to the north end and forced them down the north east hill and then down to where their bodies were discovered? I ask this bc i know many have speculated that they were forced down the hill on the south side of the bridge and would of had to cross the creek. But I have studied topography and photos and watched youtube videos and those bank along the river look pretty steep to me, i mean getting down to the water would be hard enough. But then you have to factor in that they would of had to climb or be carried up the opposite side bank of the creek in order to be found at their finally restting spot 50' from the creek?&nbsp;&nbsp; just my 2 cents <br><br>curious what other sleuthers think?
    The steeper hills leading down to the creek are on the north side. The slope down to the creek from the SE end of the bridge is more gradual.

    Also, the NW end of the bridge is further from where the bodies were found than the SE end of the bridge is.

    The main thing that would point to the NW end of the bridge being where they exited is that that would put them on the same side of the creek as where they were found. But, IMO, exiting from the SE end and crossing the creek at some point is the more plausible of the two scenarios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oregonmama View Post
    I would like to hear from some of the new members regarding their theories with out mentioning any new suspects other than the man on the bridge.....
    I think BG is the perp, is an opportunist, loves the thrill of doubles, and has a (possibly long) history. I think they were probably strangled, as it seemed to be a rather "clean" killing. I think he may have had a kill kit stashed nearby somewhere (whether in the form of an innocent seeming tacklebox, or who knows what - maybe just looks like random "stuff" in his vehicle, but I think he keeps what he needs handy as an, IMO, opportunist), or is a fisherman and keeps fishing line on him for this purpose maybe. I think he's very soft-spoken and flies under everyone's radar.

    ETA: I also still think what I said on one of the first pages of the previous thread: I Think - THIS IS ALL JMO - that the 6000 billboard campaign and new sense of urgency is because I think they got a hit or maybe a bunch of hits on whatever preliminary DNA they may have that all match a bunch of unsolved cases (IMO), and I think this is the first time they have a picture/video/audio file lead on what they may IMO now know for sure is a SK preying on young people.
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    Replying to this comment: Because they don't have ------ such ------- quality ----- tips ----- !!!!!

    I'm hopeful they they have received quality tips but are waiting on DNA confirmation and/or have not yet processed the tip yet. Hopefully some resolution occurs soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGE View Post
    I think BG is the perp, is an opportunist, loves the thrill of doubles, and has a (possibly long) history. I think they were probably strangled, as it seemed to be a rather "clean" killing. I think he may have had a kill kit stashed nearby somewhere (whether in the form of an innocent seeming tacklebox, or who knows what - maybe just looks like random "stuff" in his vehicle, but I think he keeps what he needs handy as an, IMO, opportunist), or is a fisherman and keeps fishing line on him for this purpose maybe. I think he's very soft-spoken and flies under everyone's radar.
    I believe this, as well. With how calculating and cold he seems, it would indicate a violent past, either with others or animals. MOO.

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    IMO the LE unfortunately doesn't have any idea who this guy is... in fact they don't have much more information at all other than time and cause of death. How do they not know if that's his voice? so how many male voices were on the audio? if more than one wouldn't that be relevant information for the public to know this is a team or group of males abducting and killing children? or couldn't they just sat we can't be certain but all evidence at this point leads us to believe that's the suspect in the picture is the voice on the audio? if they can't figure that much out I'm concerned we may never get closure for these girls. By now if the LE had something they would be all over it ... the FBI does not stay on one case until it's solved they have to move on time is ticking before this gets handed back to the local LE




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    Quote Originally Posted by Steleheart View Post
    THAT was a fast thread!
    I've just got caught up! Time for bed soon, ya'll are gonna have another full thread for me to catch up on by the time I get up in the morning aren't you? Go easy on me lol (internet is still down *sigh*) and I don't have a real lot of mobile data left >.<


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    Can anyone tell me how far the farm house where the search warrant was served is from the where the girls were found? Iirc ir was not in walking distance but i dont remember how far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms Suzanne View Post
    I respect and like websleuths.I would not post rumors on here because they said not to.I for one listen to rumors.I listen to everything.Rumors usually have a root.I have a missing person that has been missing 30 years.a very cold case.I have learned to listen to everything and never throw anything out.Even if it has already proved wrong to me.I can't.
    I don't want to devalue rumors, because they may lead to the answer. That being said, unsubstantiated rumors can cause a feeding frenzy on the web. This is a public forum. If the rumors turn out to be false, an innocent person could be slandered and harmed. If there is a particular rumor you have heard, you could report it to the tipline at this number: 844-459-5786. You can remain anonymous.

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