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MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trail
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Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at High Bridge, just east of Delphi.
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Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.

Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at (800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

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#1nana said:
Where do I begin? Made the jog to Delphi today. Completely changed everything I had thought and/or envisioned in my head. I live in a small town but this town....super small.

1. I live about 2 hours away. Didn't know the area at all. Took me an hour to find the bridge. And that's using GPS. GPS took me all over. I finally had to stop and ask someone. The GPS kept taking me to the trail head which is in town at Riley Park. So IMO this BG had to have known the area. And to actually chance into two girls by theirselves--no way. Well except....See #3

2. This trail is not nearly as "back woods" as I thought. There is an area right off the road where maybe two cars can fit to walk back. The bridge is only half a mile from the road/parking spot. Very open. Had I not known what happened there I would never have worried about being there alone. Especially during the day. Anyone that parked right there was right on the road and fully visible to anyone going by.

3. There are 3 areas to park and get to the bridge. In town on Washington Street, and another little spot right beside the Hoosier Highway. If you park here, you literally walk over the interstate. The wooden bridge is probably
A half a mile to a mile past that. Mind you this basically runs parallel to the road. Not deep into the woods like my mind thought. It runs parallel to 350 N. The mere fact that these girls could have walked over the interstate....was jaw dropping for me. I assumed there was only one area to hop on the trail. When I saw these two girls could have possibly walked across the interstate was a game changer for me. So, do we know where the sister dropped them off? Town? Off Hoosier Highway or right at the gate leading back to the bridge? God knows who saw them if they crossed over the interstate.

4. They found the girls on the Northeast side of the bridge, 50 yards from Deer Creek. Closest side to the entrance/parking on the same side as 350. I know this because I asked the searchers out scouring the area. Their main focus today was on the Northeast side of the bridge along the woods/field facing the road. They also had dogs.

5. If I counted one man/boy wearing a camo hat, blue coat, baggie jeans and a hoodie, I counted 30. In fact while driving around trying to find this place I stopped to ask a searcher and it was one of the girls uncle. Wearing a blue coat, camo hat and baggie jeans. This suspect looks like every other man in town. Just a note the uncle said he'd called some friends and family to come and search "their way". I gathered they weren't real pleased with maybe the lack of searching from PD. This was disheartening.

6. The cemetery is within visual distance from the entrance gate/parking to the bridge. Not far at all.

7. After driving over to the cemetery it dips down a little the further back into the cemetery and kind of hides a vehicle. Once back there the PD had big flood lights up facing the woods there. There was a path at the back of the cemetery that had a "no trespassing-private property" sign. The searches had a map out and seemed to focus a lot on this area.

8. Like every other trail there was random trash, cigarette butts all over. Not sure how they determine what's been there a month to what was there the day of the crime.

My summary, IMO this was so much more brazen than I ever thought. It wasn't desolate and deep woods. It was just right off the road. If it took me an hour to find this bridge, it couldn't have been someone who just randomly was at the same place at the same time who didn't know the area. Unless--they saw the girls as they were driving on Hoosier Highway and turned back to locate them. Even then it would be difficult to find which way they went ext. IMO he didn't park at the main entrance to the bridge. It was right on the road, right across from a house. Anyone and everyone would have see his vehicle there. It appears to me he parked in the cemetery, went down the path marked private property, met up with the girls at the north end of the bridge (opposite of what I thought) and cut east back towards the road/cemetery. It's a very hilly area. "Down the hill" could have occurred anywhere. He committed his crime in the woods closest to the cemetery, close to his vehicle and drove away.


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#1Nana:

A day late, and a dollar short, but just read this now (so many conjecture posts ).

Thank-you #1Nana. You are another reason why WS can be so enlightening.

Hats off.

WG
 
MissUnderstood said:
I get an Internet lure vibe from this. A meet up with what the girls thought was a teen boy but ended up being a monster/s. What thoughts do others have about how this went down? Moo


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After viewing the nightmarish zoom in of the 's face again, I do still feel the perp is youngish - 22 to 34 years old.

Hoping for another presser soon.

WG
 
#1nana said:
That wasn't the entrance into the cemetery. It's just a gate facing another property. Yes you can park at the back of the cemetery and your car is somewhat well hidden. Or rather not as noticeable. The fence is down at a path that leads from the back of the cemetery into the woods where the girls were found. There's a sign posted there that says "no trespassing-private property" which makes sense from the interview of the neighbor. The spotlight is facing towards the path.

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This is my very first post on this website so please do not crucify me if I do something wrong.... I have a feeling that he knows the area well... well enough to know how he could do this without getting caught.... Does anyone know if there are any abandoned houses around anywhere close to the bridge?? where he could park his car out of sight, but not TOO far (say, within a mile or two from the trail) so he could stay unnoticed??? And possibly walk through the woods to get to the trail? I mean... somehow he has stayed off of the radar.... Sorry if someone has already asked this question... I live about an hour away from Delphi and this entire thing is messing with me..
 
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Yes they were at the end. Sooooo close to the gravel path to the road!


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When I first joined in the dialogue, there was a tv news crew that walked the path police believed BG and the girls took to the final spot. It was off the bridge, at the north end and directly to the right, "down the hill."

This is what the police had said (I will have to try and find that tv link) and they sounded matter of fact about the route. Oh, and they even panned across to the closeness of the house across the street.

And, because of the tv report, I assumed that this had to be.

Also someone posted a rather straight forward map of the path coming off the bridge at the north end, going right and following a path along the water to the final spot - no water crossing (I cannot remember who or which thread, sorry).

I said at the time that I felt that the girls were on their way back north and BG got on and approached them closer to the north side. Remember I am the one that keeps going on about how that is Abby's jacket in the photo and I surmised that Abby was in front of Libby, on the way back north, and that he was coming south towards them as they were leaving.

But then those two videos came out placing BG and the girls way south on the bridge, closer to the exit at the south end and that video changed my mind completely as to which end they exited the bridge because of the their closeness of the south end and also everyone going south in pictures - it just made sense at that time with the new visual perspective.

Those videos are really indisputable because of all the natural marking points (significant trees, et al.)

And knowing they were so far out, it seemed bizarre that girls would be marched back across the whole length of the bridge towards the populated end. So then the focus became the south end. Because of that I gave up the idea of him passing them and then getting them on the rebound going north, it just seemed too far.

The new theory about the south end has niggled at me but the new visual evidence seemed much easier to justify because of the probability of him marching them back that far across almost the entire length or following them across without them making a run off that bridge and for that house seemed far-fetched to me.

So, did he pass them and, they being creeped out, turned turn back a bit early to get off that bridge?

Or did they go almost the south exit and turn around with him following them the whole time?

Did they think they were probably safe because they were heading back towards a populated area and therefore didn't run?

Did they walk with him.
 
Acoots82 said:
This is my very first post on this website so please do not crucify me if I do something wrong.... I have a feeling that he knows the area well... well enough to know how he could do this without getting caught.... Does anyone know if there are any abandoned houses around anywhere close to the bridge?? where he could park his car out of sight, but not TOO far (say, within a mile or two from the trail) so he could stay unnoticed??? And possibly walk through the woods to get to the trail? I mean... somehow he has stayed off of the radar.... Sorry if someone has already asked this question... I live about an hour away from Delphi and this entire thing is messing with me..
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Welcome! I hadn't thought of abandoned houses/buildings, great point!
 
Wondergirl said:
After viewing the nightmarish zoom in of the 's face again, I do still feel the perp is youngish - 22 to 34 years old.

Hoping for another presser soon.

WG
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IMO... I think he's 45-55. And I also think BG got on at south end and came from behind Libby and walked past them, then turned around and came towards them and ushered them off the south end of bridge...MOO.
 
14 threads in 14 days. You don't see that too often. It shows the intense and wonderful desire by so many, to want to find justice for L & A

I want to see #FindHim change to #GotHim or well, to tell the truth I want to be able to scream "they got the *advertiser censored*!"

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I think this perp trolls the internet teen social sites. He might have posed as a teen and chatted with the girls making arrangements to go hiking. Perps will travel many miles if they get a chance to meet up with a child.
 
cindersoot said:
I think this perp trolls the internet teen social sites. He might have posed as a teen and chatted with the girls making arrangements to go hiking. Perps will travel many miles if they get a chance to meet up with a child.
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I concur, and indeed that was proven on "To Catch a Predator" on Dateline (I believe)
 
Let me start this post off with a big huge IMO
I believe he's in his 40s to early 50s. I think he also has an elevated sense of self. He feels important and smarter then the general population. I would say he has a criminal record and a long history of sexual offences. I think he has ties to the community but doesn't live in Delphi. He is enjoying the fact that everybody's looking for him. He finally feels as important as he thinks he is. I also believe he knows technology and is reading everything he can about the case. (It gives him a thrill ) like him knowing a secret no one else knows. He feels special. I do believe he was there for a reason and I'm starting to think while he was in his car he did see the girls being dropped off. I believe he had a gun but it was only used to intimidate the girls into compliance. As I stated this is just my opinion

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cindersoot said:
I think this perp trolls the internet teen social sites. He might have posed as a teen and chatted with the girls making arrangements to go hiking. Perps will travel many miles if they get a chance to meet up with a child.
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We're on the exact same thought trail

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I wonder if the police could put the clothing he had on on a mannequin to try and jog someone's memory. I don't know how easy that would be to do in this case but I have seen it done before.

I hope they have canvassed the local bars to see if anyone remembers a guy like him being in. Perhaps they could show his photo at sports stadiums. In my opinion a man is more likely to remember and know him than a woman. I don't know if many women will be in his life.

I hope the reward can be increased too $50,000 doesn't seem like enough of an incentive for someone to turn in someone they know for such a serious, horrific high profile crime. You would hope that people would do it because it is the right thing to do and not need any reward though. I'm not criticising the generosity of those who have put up this current reward but I hope the FBI can increase it a bit.
 
I see some people still talking about the girls crossing the creek. According to the searchers yesterday in Delphi the girls were found on the north east side of the bridge. 50 feet back off the water. If that's the case they never went into the creek or crossed the creek


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