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    Quote Originally Posted by Karinna View Post
    Is it known that Dakota used Grindr? I think any of those types of things can be potentially dangerous, IMO.
    Yes, as a seasoned gay man (!) I was surprised, at how so ingrained it is into the younger gay generation. Gay man. Has cell. 98% on Grindr!!!

    Dakota, according to cops "social dating apps" were examined - had to be on his phone for that to happen!!!

    No judgment here - thats just how it works nowadays - in ten years infants will emerge from the birth canal with a smartphone all charged up and ready to go!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
    Yes, as a seasoned gay man (!) I was surprised, at how so ingrained it is into the younger gay generation. Gay man. Has cell. 98% on Grindr!!!

    Dakota, according to cops "social dating apps" were examined - had to be on his phone for that to happen!!!

    No judgment here - thats just how it works nowadays - in ten years infants will emerge from the birth canal with a smartphone all charged up and ready to go!!
    Thanks for clarifying CARIIS. Yes the younger generation does everything on their phones now, and it's like an extension of themselves.I guess that's it, it is just the way it is, the age of technology. In some ways it's not a bad thing and in other ways not so much.
    If LE were able to retrieve data from Dakota's phone that could perhaps help in the investigation if he had arranged to meet someone, but we don't know that yet.
    LOL at your last sentence about smartphones,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karinna View Post
    Thanks for clarifying CARIIS. Yes the younger generation does everything on their phones now, and it's like an extension of themselves.I guess that's it, it is just the way it is, the age of technology. In some ways it's not a bad thing and in other ways not so much.
    If LE were able to retrieve data from Dakota's phone that could perhaps help in the investigation if he had arranged to meet someone, but we don't know that yet.
    LOL at your last sentence about smartphones,
    not IMO I do not think Grindr cooperated. Just mo. Or are dragging their feet - knowing full well LE not is gonna take this higher to battle it.

    When they found Dakota, all the more reason to just let it all it go -- they will do the standard no clue what happened, case done with

    ad but I think realistic
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFTM View Post
    I think it is time Dakota's family allow the toxicology reports to be released to the public... If body was released than they have them....LE would not release body if toxicology was not back. Funeral arrangements would not be made either if body was not released to family...

    Sorry but...

    What's up with that????


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    Yes, they DID release the body. NO, tox results are not back yet. Obviously the family was smart enough to get an outside M.E. to also do an autopsy. They can take samples of tissues and use them now, as well as down the road, if further tests are needed. The results are taking a while longer because I'm sure they are running EVERY test possible. This is a very smart family.
    This was certainly not an accident.
    When he was recovered from that water, people on scene publicly stated that DJ was absolutely recognizable. This proves he was not in water for 40 days.
    Now our question is this: Who had him & what did they do to him?

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    PA - Dakota James, 23, Pittsburgh, 25 Jan 2017 #2

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    Yes, they DID release the body. NO, tox results are not back yet. Obviously the family was smart enough to get an outside M.E. to also do an autopsy. They can take samples of tissues and use them now, as well as down the road, if further tests are needed. The results are taking a while longer because I'm sure they are running EVERY test possible. This is a very smart family.
    This was certainly not an accident.
    When he was recovered from that water, people on scene publicly stated that DJ was absolutely recognizable. This proves he was not in water for 40 days.
    Now our question is this: Who had him & what did they do to him?
    The body would not be released unless they were done no matter who was running test they would need body...

    Not samples...

    They keep body in case something is questionable....

    Have you ever had someone in your family murdered? I have and I know what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFTM View Post
    The body would not be released unless they were done no matter who was running test they would need body...

    Not samples...

    They keep body in case something is questionable....

    Have you ever had someone in your family murdered? I have and I know what happens.

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    I am friends with Koty's family. I am telling you the truth. His funeral service is this weekend. Tox reports are NOT back yet.
    Your sister's case and Koty's case are 2 different cases.
    And for the record, Cyril Wecht, (that's the correct spelling) is assisting on this case.
    Thank you for your interest.
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    PA - Dakota James, 23, Pittsburgh, 25 Jan 2017 #2

    Quote Originally Posted by Walker525 View Post
    I am friends with Koty's family. I am telling you the truth. His funeral service is this weekend. Tox reports are NOT back yet.
    Your sister's case and Koty's case are 2 different cases.
    And for the record, Cyril Wecht, (that's the correct spelling) is assisting on this case.
    Thank you for your interest.
    He worked on my sister's case too..
    Then they have released body because they do not think it was murder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karinna View Post
    So has Dakota been released back to his family yet? Does anyone know?
    Yes he has been released to the family. His funeral service will be at home in Frederick, MD

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    You are speculating. I understand this site is for theories and opinions, however I am stating facts for you.

    Blood, urine, and tissue evaluation for drugs, alcohol, or other toxins (toxicology). Testing generally requires 3 to 6 weeks (or longer when initial results are inconclusive and additional tests are ordered).
    Microscopic examination of tissue for injury or disease (histology).
    Testing may require up to 6 weeks to complete.
    Consultation with forensic experts and law enforcement may be required.


    Also,
    If death is unexpected, traumatic or suspicious, or the cause of death cannot be documented on the death certificate:

    The body may need to be taken to the coronerís office where an autopsy will be performed to determine the cause. Different county and state laws determine whether the coroner is required to examine the body.

    If an autopsy is to be performed, the state in which the person died may require a family member to sign an authorization form. Some counties have funds available for autopsy and body transportation; others may charge for these services.

    Once the autopsy has been completed, the body will be released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walker525 View Post
    Yes, they DID release the body. NO, tox results are not back yet. Obviously the family was smart enough to get an outside M.E. to also do an autopsy. They can take samples of tissues and use them now, as well as down the road, if further tests are needed. The results are taking a while longer because I'm sure they are running EVERY test possible. This is a very smart family.
    This was certainly not an accident.
    When he was recovered from that water, people on scene publicly stated that DJ was absolutely recognizable. This proves he was not in water for 40 days.
    Now our question is this: Who had him & what did they do to him?
    Thankyou for clarifying that Dakota was released to his family. I hope DJ's family get the answers they need.
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    If death is unexpected, traumatic or suspicious, or the cause of death cannot be documented on the death certificate:

    The body may need to be taken to the coronerís office where an autopsy will be performed to determine the cause. Different county and state laws determine whether the coroner is required to examine the body.

    If an autopsy is to be performed, the state in which the person died may require a family member to sign an authorization form. Some counties have funds available for autopsy and body transportation; others may charge for these services.

    Once the autopsy has been completed, the body will be released.

    Walker525...
    Does this mean the cause of death has been determined to enter on the death certificate so the body could be released to the family?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFTM View Post
    The body would not be released unless they were done no matter who was running test they would need body...

    Not samples...

    They keep body in case something is questionable....

    Have you ever had someone in your family murdered? I have and I know what happens.

    Cyril Wecht...


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    I'm so sorry for that happening in your family,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Factbased View Post
    If death is unexpected, traumatic or suspicious, or the cause of death cannot be documented on the death certificate:

    The body may need to be taken to the coronerís office where an autopsy will be performed to determine the cause. Different county and state laws determine whether the coroner is required to examine the body.

    If an autopsy is to be performed, the state in which the person died may require a family member to sign an authorization form. Some counties have funds available for autopsy and body transportation; others may charge for these services.

    Once the autopsy has been completed, the body will be released.

    Walker525...
    Does this mean the cause of death has been determined to enter on the death certificate so the body could be released to the family?

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    In my former post, I was trying to explain the different stages of how long it could take for results and that they do not need to "keep the body" until they have a "cause of death"
    There has been an autopsy performed....
    Testing was most likely VERY extensive.
    The autopsy procedure is a very comprehensive examination. The process and the associated testing that is completed is time consuming. The final report (referred to as the autopsy report) is usually available in ten to twelve weeks after the autopsy.
    Also, when an autopsy is performed, a death certificate will not be completed and certified until the autopsy results are finalized. This typically takes ten to twelve weeks following the autopsy.

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    ATTN: Karinna

    @Karinna:
    You're welcome
    Last edited by Walker525; 03-21-2017 at 11:45 PM. Reason: I meant to comment directly to someone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factbased View Post
    If death is unexpected, traumatic or suspicious, or the cause of death cannot be documented on the death certificate:

    The body may need to be taken to the coroner’s office where an autopsy will be performed to determine the cause. Different county and state laws determine whether the coroner is required to examine the body.

    If an autopsy is to be performed, the state in which the person died may require a family member to sign an authorization form. Some counties have funds available for autopsy and body transportation; others may charge for these services.

    Once the autopsy has been completed, the body will be released.

    Walker525...
    Does this mean the cause of death has been determined to enter on the death certificate so the body could be released to the family?

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    I just think this is a dance. It makes some sense in the new year's couple found dead on the side of the road with kids watching movie in the back - makes me think autopsy would tougher.

    These cases found dead in rivers. No external
    stuff. Those are rule outs. It is my beleif if this was a congressman's son stuff is finalized,

    IMO there is a political angle to this. In the public's mind the mayor is involved. Le is under scrutiny.

    IMO only if date rape drug found telling. BAL tell nothing significant, in terms of that night as far as it relates to walking ability.

    I know for me if we went solely by intake- there are so many variables that impact the effect of the identical amount ingested

    SIgnifgant variables. I am confident it is the same for all. Especially when we are questioning the ability to stand up.

    The zipper angle is huge. Thought it was a brilliant observation - just common sense. Zipper up pretty good rule out.

    What is his drinking history?
    How is his liver?
    Was he stressed?
    Tired?
    What did he eat?
    What is his body mass?
    Every human processes alcohol different.-absorbation rates are different for everyone
    Everyone process food different.
    Each individual's functional tolerances are different.
    Depressed?
    How fast is one consuming?
    Exercise history?
    Carbonated beverage?
    Sugar?
    \Medication Tylonol an hour earlier?
    What is the temperature in settings one drinking in?
    Age/gender impact BAL
    Was he bring gently held or afraid for his life prior - impacts respiration, blood pressure, entities that impact the liver processing ethanol.
    Much confusion as to how much ethanol each person produes during death and decom.

    There are so many variables that impact how alcohol impacts a homo sapian - that do not relate to BAL-in every drinking event

    IMO the notion that BAL determines if accidental or murder is too nice. Too easy. To irrelevant on its own. moo


    When I was drinking with colleagues, let's say same quantity, there were differences. That is mental state, role expectation etc. Were you out to get blasted, or relax (expectations) impact result - even if the intake is identical.

    What was his relationship with the person he was hanging with? Am I in a dance bar, or a piano bar? What is the environment during intake. Is it Friday night to throw it to the wind or do you have to get up in the morning? Mindset. Nothing to do with BAL.

    Its kinda like a belief that cholesterol level would identical if we ate a quarter pounder on a Tues or Thurs. Haman body and mind too complicated to make stuff that concrete.

    We are true crime followers. We know there are entities that give a huge amount of data on the spot. Body temp, de comp, attire status, overt body damage (stabbed).

    The most important deal only mo is there water in lungs, how much, how long etc, I just don't get the autopsy results (on a physical level) not being out there in any of the cases.

    If the tox results, in any other similar cases changes total conclusion well on that level maybe. Wait for months re-tox screen, they come back, and it still remains inconclusive.

    They can't have it both ways. Either the tox screen has a serious factor in final determination or it does nothing, like in most of these cases.

    It's kinda like saying in car wreck speed is the only variable. That is just not true. The angle of impact, tires, road surface. age of vehicle, driver response time, construction of each of vehicle etc etc

    IMO these cases are very prone to media delay. This just occurred to me - it would be interesting to find out how long, on other cases, where sexual orientation is most likely hetero (never can KNOW) if the timeframes are different.
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