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    IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #24

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    Dear Websleuths Members,

    Please DO NOT bring in family members of the victim's and suggest they might have had something to do with the crime. As of right now, there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.

    People, please think about what Abby and Liberty's loved ones are going through right now.

    They lost their two angels to murder and now they read on the Internet people are ripping their lives apart.

    Same thing with any random person you happen to bring up. These people do not deserve to have their lives spread out and accusations made against them based on a theory with nothing to back it up.

    I know it's frustrating when you go on other sites and they are talking about EVERYTHING but we just do not work that way on Websleuths.

    You are anonymous behind your computer screen. Doesn't hurt you if you post something that's not true about a grieving family member. You step away from your computer and all is well. Meanwhile, your words are like burning hot knives in people's hearts.

    Please take a moment to read our rules
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    If you have any questions please email websleuthscomments@gmail.com or send a private message.

    Ask yourself the following; Would you stand face to face with the person you are accusing, tell them your theory and tell them your real name?

    Even with our tight and well thought out rules Websleuths is able to do amazing sleuthing.

    Thank you for caring about Abby and Liberty.

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    MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trai
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    Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at High Bridge, just east of Delphi.


    Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

    Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

    State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.

    Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

    ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at
    (800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to
    Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

    RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

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    Hi Everyone,

    In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

    I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

    You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

    Video # 1

    Video # 2 -

    Video # 3


    Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    Hi Everyone,

    In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

    I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

    You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

    Video # 1

    Video # 2 -

    Video # 3


    Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

    Tricia Griffith
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    Fantastic work by Grayhuze .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novelist View Post
    Kind of O/T but curious question. I am somewhat local (20-30 minutes away) and about an hour ago the 911 lines for where I live went down. Has anyone heard of this happening before an arrest? I know it happens for other reasons but just spitballing here.

    MOO
    They are down in TN also it's an outage I believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer View Post
    Somethings up. The FBI did not think of that maybe they should get together a profile today.

    That is too bad. The sooner there is a profile, the sooner a person of interest can be eliminated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indycindy View Post
    if you are not sure then please call it in anyway...the more hits on the same perp the better
    Also as LE is checking out each tip and if they see it's not related to this case but there is still an issue with the person for another reason they take care of it. They said they are making arrests for non-related cases along the way. I think it's great to get other offenders off the streets and potentially saving others from being a victim.

    It doesn't matter what your tip is they want to hear it. Got a quirky neighbor, see a guy that gives you the heebie jeebies, a relative that has been acting weird, whatever it is let the LE know. Because honestly you just don't know...

    MOO

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    How come no DNA found related to suspected at the crime scene? This made me wonder if sexual assault is involved or not. I would think if it involves sexual assault it will be hard for the suspect to leave without DNA? Or he really washed all the biological evidence in the river???


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    Quote Originally Posted by EllieBee View Post
    YAAASSSSS!

    We have DNA confirmed.

    Sorry if y'all already knew this; last I read, LE denied that they had confirmed DNA was found.
    Interesting how I read it totally different.

    I read it as they sent evidence, not knowing if it would have any DNA on it. To search for it if it is there. You don't "find" DNA.. it says " they have sent evidence found at Delphi murder scene to be tested for DNA that could belong to killer" e.g. they sent clothes, bodies etc to see if DNA could be found IMHO

    Seems like lots of misleading headlines today in advance of the presser tomorrow with family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janesmith787 View Post
    They're down all over state of TX for ATT


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    Florida & Georgia too


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    Quote Originally Posted by kellala View Post
    How come no DNA found related to suspected at the crime scene? This made me wonder if sexual assault is involved or not. I would think if it involves sexual assault it will be hard for the suspect to leave without DNA? Or he really washed all the biological evidence in the river???


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    He may have used protection, gloves, mask, etc to minimize any DNA. I agree, though, that he must have left something behind. I just don't think it has shown up as a match, unfortunately. MOO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bently View Post
    Interesting how I read it totally different.

    I read it as they sent evidence, not knowing if it would have any DNA on it. To search for it if it is there. You don't "find" DNA.. it says " they have sent evidence found at Delphi murder scene to be tested for DNA that could belong to killer" e.g. they sent clothes, bodies etc to see if DNA could be found IMHO

    Seems like lots of misleading headlines today in advance of the presser tomorrow with family.
    Correct. You can't see DNA with the naked eye. You can reasonably hope that an article of clothing has biological evidence containing DNA on it or that swabs or fingernail clippings contain DNA, but you wouldn't know for sure that there is DNA until the item or swab was tested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellala View Post
    How come no DNA found related to suspected at the crime scene? This made me wonder if sexual assault is involved or not. I would think if it involves sexual assault it will be hard for the suspect to leave without DNA? Or he really washed all the biological evidence in the river???




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    i do believe that they have confirmed DNA

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