IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #24

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Dear Websleuths Members,

Please DO NOT bring in family members of the victim's and suggest they might have had something to do with the crime. As of right now, there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.

People, please think about what Abby and Liberty's loved ones are going through right now.

They lost their two angels to murder and now they read on the Internet people are ripping their lives apart.

Same thing with any random person you happen to bring up. These people do not deserve to have their lives spread out and accusations made against them based on a theory with nothing to back it up.

I know it's frustrating when you go on other sites and they are talking about EVERYTHING but we just do not work that way on Websleuths.

You are anonymous behind your computer screen. Doesn't hurt you if you post something that's not true about a grieving family member. You step away from your computer and all is well. Meanwhile, your words are like burning hot knives in people's hearts.

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Ask yourself the following; Would you stand face to face with the person you are accusing, tell them your theory and tell them your real name?

Even with our tight and well thought out rules Websleuths is able to do amazing sleuthing.

Thank you for caring about Abby and Liberty.

Tricia Griffith
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PS. Thank you KayElJay for letting me post in your opening post.


MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trail

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Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at High Bridge, just east of Delphi.



Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.


Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

Pictures of Abby and Libby
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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at
(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to
Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

Teen used cell phone to capture chilling audio of her killer: Police
 
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Hi Everyone,

In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

Video # 1 [video=youtube;_TFz4citG68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFz4citG68&index=2&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]

Video # 2 - [video=youtube;AS24hYv_X8Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS24hYv_X8Q&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws&index=1[/video]

Video # 3 [video=youtube;HH3twaMV9Fg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3twaMV9Fg&index=3&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]


Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

Tricia Griffith
Owner/Websleuths.com
 
Hi Everyone,

In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

Video # 1 [video=youtube;_TFz4citG68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFz4citG68&index=2&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]

Video # 2 - [video=youtube;AS24hYv_X8Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS24hYv_X8Q&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws&index=1[/video]

Video # 3 [video=youtube;HH3twaMV9Fg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3twaMV9Fg&index=3&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]


Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

Tricia Griffith
Owner/Websleuths.com

Fantastic work by Grayhuze .....
 
Kind of O/T but curious question. I am somewhat local (20-30 minutes away) and about an hour ago the 911 lines for where I live went down. Has anyone heard of this happening before an arrest? I know it happens for other reasons but just spitballing here.

MOO
They are down in TN also it's an outage I believe

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Somethings up. The FBI did not think of that maybe they should get together a profile today.


That is too bad. The sooner there is a profile, the sooner a person of interest can be eliminated.
 
if you are not sure then please call it in anyway...the more hits on the same perp the better

Also as LE is checking out each tip and if they see it's not related to this case but there is still an issue with the person for another reason they take care of it. They said they are making arrests for non-related cases along the way. I think it's great to get other offenders off the streets and potentially saving others from being a victim.

It doesn't matter what your tip is they want to hear it. Got a quirky neighbor, see a guy that gives you the heebie jeebies, a relative that has been acting weird, whatever it is let the LE know. Because honestly you just don't know...

MOO
 
How come no DNA found related to suspected at the crime scene? This made me wonder if sexual assault is involved or not. I would think if it involves sexual assault it will be hard for the suspect to leave without DNA? Or he really washed all the biological evidence in the river???


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YAAASSSSS!

We have DNA confirmed.

Sorry if y'all already knew this; last I read, LE denied that they had confirmed DNA was found.

Interesting how I read it totally different.

I read it as they sent evidence, not knowing if it would have any DNA on it. To search for it if it is there. You don't "find" DNA.. it says " they have sent evidence found at Delphi murder scene to be tested for DNA that could belong to killer" e.g. they sent clothes, bodies etc to see if DNA could be found IMHO

Seems like lots of misleading headlines today in advance of the presser tomorrow with family.
 
How come no DNA found related to suspected at the crime scene? This made me wonder if sexual assault is involved or not. I would think if it involves sexual assault it will be hard for the suspect to leave without DNA? Or he really washed all the biological evidence in the river???


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He may have used protection, gloves, mask, etc to minimize any DNA. I agree, though, that he must have left something behind. I just don't think it has shown up as a match, unfortunately. MOO

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Interesting how I read it totally different.

I read it as they sent evidence, not knowing if it would have any DNA on it. To search for it if it is there. You don't "find" DNA.. it says " they have sent evidence found at Delphi murder scene to be tested for DNA that could belong to killer" e.g. they sent clothes, bodies etc to see if DNA could be found IMHO

Seems like lots of misleading headlines today in advance of the presser tomorrow with family.

Correct. You can't see DNA with the naked eye. You can reasonably hope that an article of clothing has biological evidence containing DNA on it or that swabs or fingernail clippings contain DNA, but you wouldn't know for sure that there is DNA until the item or swab was tested.
 
How come no DNA found related to suspected at the crime scene? This made me wonder if sexual assault is involved or not. I would think if it involves sexual assault it will be hard for the suspect to leave without DNA? Or he really washed all the biological evidence in the river???




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i do believe that they have confirmed DNA
 
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They are down in TN also it's an outage I believe

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Email note from my local Police Dept (Northern California):

"AT&T Cellular Network having multiple state problem with AT&T cell phones reaching 911. The problem is with the ATT Mobility system...911 systems are functioning."

They give a local number to reach 911 by cell phone.
 
Hi everyone. I'm a recently registered user, and this is my first post. So, as a rookie, I will try to keep this fairly short and hopefully offer something worthwhile. :)

About the reward money...

I live in Chicago's Northwest suburbs. There's a town out by us called Palatine where the "Brown's Chicken Massacre" -- as it was referred to -- occurred in 1993. Horrible horrible crime. Many innocent deaths. It wasn't until 9 years later that the ex-girlfriend of one of the two perps tipped authorities. She apparently knew the whole time that he was involved. She even helped cover for them with a false alibi. But she said fear kept her from coming forward. It took 9 years for her to finally get over her fear and call the authorities.

You can't always count on reward money, emotions nor conscience to push a family member, friend, partner, neighbor, etc to come forward if fear is involved. If the police truly need the help of the public at large, it will very likely have to come from his "outer circle" people. These are people who (a) could I.D. this jerk AND (b) are safely out of reach of his threats.

The problem is, for the outer circle people to be able to help, the Police may very well have to release some more information. Not everything obviously, but certainly more than these blurshots we have now. Perhaps some more photos, perhaps some more audio. Even if some of it could be uncomfortable stuff.

The people that know who this is right now -- if anyone does -- would have come forward already. Perhaps they live in fear. Who knows. But it seems it's going to take someone from his outer circle to identify him. And they will most likely need more to go on before they call in.

It's frustrating. I can tell everyone here truly wants to solve this crime and get justice for the two girls. Just my two cents. Thanks for hearing me out! :)
 
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