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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxManning View Post
    I'll say again, nothing would surprise me more than this

    I'm unclear as to how schizophrenia is the obvious answer. She drove right along the river if she took 9, it's not like she wouldn't be able to find it in 2 minutes after leaving QT.

    I'm also unclear how this theory is backed up by facts

    Am I missing something? Where is w26? does it have a road name I'm not aware of?

    Also, what are you referring to with the "difficulty"? Is it something someone said?
    In my original theory I couldn't explain how the phone kept working for hours, if she drove into the water at that park, since it was only a 20 minute drive or so. It appears she drove all the way out to Highway 435 and back, and possibly explored a few ways down to the water, as well. So that explains why her phone kept working for an hour and a half. She was driving around.

    I didn't say schizophrenia was the obvious answer. It is just one possibility. What I have been saying all along is that she was suffering some sort of psychotic break.

    W 26 Ave is the road she was stopped on in North Kansas City. There was absolutely no reason for her to be on that road. We ruled out the ATM. We ruled out that she thought she was being followed (the officer came from a different direction). It is simply not a place anyone would do a drug deal. There could be only one reason for her to be there: confusion of some sort.
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    Or after a long night of work she just wanted to go somewhere, chill, smoke a bowl, watch the sun rise, and then head home. She seemed like the type to do that kind of thing and a park by the river seems like a pretty place to do that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    I made this map of the search area after watching the special. When the detective was asked where the last ping was, he said "9 Highway Corrider." Note, however, that it appears she turns off 9 Highway, staying as close as possible to the river. There are some roads that head toward the river, and I suspect she explored a few of them.

    We were told she just seemed to be driving around. Looking at the search area, it really looks like she drove back and forth trying to find a way down to the river. Not sure why she drove past the parks at first, though. Why else would the search area look this way? She must have driven those highways (9-Highway and NW River Road).


    Am I missing something here? How do we even know that she drove anywhere but into that park? You have lines all over the place, but do you think those are facts?

    I'm very confused :/

    People searching along waterways means they are looking for a location that might have indication she might have went into the water. It doesn't mean she actually took that route.

    I'm respectfully trying to understand what you are talking about, I don't see how we know she drove along waterways, except that we know she ended up in that park.

    She could have been parked in the park for 45 minutes for all we know, right?

    More importantly, I just want to understand if the only reason you believe she had schizophrenia is because she had a destination that others were unaware of? or is there more to this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartgoesout View Post
    Speaking of maps, the map we are not allowed to talk about for reasons I don't know. Check it out again. One of the hot spots was right on.
    Yup. The first one she came up with. I think we're thinking of the same map. It's eerie. Not sure if there is anything to the rest of the theory she presented, but the hot spot was spot on.

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    I could by the "wrong turn" theory. Maybe she turned into the park by mistake. Then turned around to leave and somehow went off the road and rolled her car down the hill and into the river. Is there any signage leading into the park?

    If this was a true accident...I wonder if we'll ever know her reasons for being in that park.

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    Ace, you lost me too.
    We would have heard via the social media train that she was acting strangely or depressed lately or even always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartgoesout View Post
    Ace, you lost me too.
    We would have heard via the social media train that she was acting strangely or depressed lately or even always.
    It seems that there would have been some reference to psychotic mental illness if she suffered from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinging Granny View Post
    A THICK guardrail needs to be installed above the river. I also can't find any posts which block and preclude cars from accidentally driving down the walking trail. The road and walking path are way too close to the steep river bank.
    Is that them towing Toni's car? Saw another shot in social media, and they are just downstream from the boat ramp in Platte Landing park. That is not a highway behind them, it is a walkway. And the road behind the walkway is an access road to the boat ramp and parking lot.

    edit: oops, it helps if I read all of your post before responding...

    I don't see the need for a guardrail as I doubt the car went in off the road. The boat ramp is just upstream. Damage to the vehicle could be from the river current.
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    If her car was found just down from that boat ramp, I have to say that I am stunned. It was literally the single most *obvious* spot to search in the entire Parkville area. I thought LE supposedly searched the water? What water did they search, exactly? 54 days later and her car is finally found just downriver from a boat ramp. I'm just shaking my head here.

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    RIP Toni!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    In my original theory I couldn't explain how the phone kept working for hours, if she drove into the water at that park, since it was only a 20 minute drive or so. It appears she drove all the way out to Highway 435 and back, and possibly explored a few ways down to the water, as well. So that explains why her phone kept working for an hour and a half. She was driving around.

    I didn't say schizophrenia was the obvious answer. It is just one possibility. What I have been saying all along is that she was suffering some sort of psychotic break.

    W 26 Ave is the road she was stopped on in North Kansas City. There was absolutely no reason for her to be on that road. We ruled out the ATM. We ruled out that she thought she was being followed (the officer came from a different direction). It is simply not a place anyone would do a drug deal. There could be only one reason for her to be there: confusion of some sort.
    First, I think saying you are unaware of why she was on that road would be a fairer assessment than "There could be only one reason for her to be there"

    I haven't took a look at the road myself, and I will, but I am not sure how you could rule out a drug deal. A drug deal can theoretically happen anywhere, and typically a place you don't expect it might be a good place to do one. ya know?

    In terms of why I don't find the schizophrenia theory as likely. it's because I know several people who have schizophrenia. Two of them had it develop in their early 20's, one of them in their late teens. I know some people believe that it is triggered by drug use, and in my own personal experience with two of those individuals that seemed to be the case. one wanted to do shrooms with her boyfriend and then after that one time, she had full blown schizophrenia symptoms. She developed paranoia that increased as time went on. It was not in any way subtle imo.


    The teenager didn't have any drug trigger that I know of, but the condition ran in his family. His paranoia started out more subtle with things such as thinking people were poisoning him at restaurants. But, if you were around him, you wouldn't right away know he was schizophrenic, unless you engaged in conversation, then it was very clear quickly that something was wrong as he might become highly uncomfortable and say odd things. But he wasn't like the other friend who was more active in engaging in her paranoid delusions. She'd seek you out to tell you things. The other, again, emerged in her first drug use. She had people that weren't there talking to her constantly and would talk back to them. She often thought I was her brother for some reason and would constantly tell me about celebrities watching her.


    My point here is that none of these were subtle enough that I don't think a police officer or SOMEBODY around Toni would be very aware of this type of behavior. When the people I spoke of were on their medication they often became zombie like in some ways.

    Not saying that this is the only way a schizophrenic person can act, but I've never known a schizophrenic where it was subtle on or off medication. Even if on medication you are gonna know something is really wrong. So why wouldn't the officer notice this? I can only imagine how any of the people I just described would have responded to a police officer, my guess would be extreme paranoia if during a psychotic break. I just have trouble believing the officer ain't gonna notice. If she was on medication, the officer would notice imo, because that is soooo noticeable imo. However, I am just basing that on the several people I know with the affliction, and they were not allowed to drive anymore. Maybe there are more highly functional schizophrenics.

    I went to the movies with my female friend with schizophrenia, I have known her since high school. We once went to see the movie The Watchmen and she was excited about seeing it, she was on her meds at the time and seeming much better than previous. We'd went to the movies before, never had an issue. I didn't know much about schizophrenia at the time, and now I will just say... don't go to the movies with a schizophrenic, especially a movie where you have an enormous blue dude walking around blowing people up. Things got real very quickly when that blue dude got down to business. I don't know that I could even explain to you what happened and make it as scary as it was to me going through the process of leaving that theater. But no... not at all subtle.


    The above is why I am personally skeptical, however that Toni was schizophrenic and no one noticed it or mentioned it. I also find it hard to believe a officer wouldn't have noticed it. They must surely run into this type of thing semi-often. I also wouldn't be surprised if an officer might trigger some kind of paranoia that would become immediately noticeable.

    Now... maybe if she had her first psychotic break after the pullover? Sure. But just doesn't seem likely imo. I'd be more prone to believe she took acid or something at the park for some reason as someone else suggested and then had hallucinations or triggered her first psychotic break. But that's just me theorizing for the sake of what'd be the most likely scenario that involves a psychotic break. Now if someone around her stated that she was showing signs of schizophrenia, I'd be a step closer to seeing where you are coming from. I'd also imagine working in her occupation might be challenging if she was schizophrenic. But again, I am just purely basing it on my personal experience and what I know about it, I certainly am not an expert on the topic. There could be a far wider range of behavior than I have witnessed, that might fit your theory better.

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    Here's a pic showing two wreckers for what, I assume, are the two vehicles. It appears both vehicles were found just down from the Platte Landing Park boat ramp, which is in the top right of the picture. One about 500 feet downriver, and one at about 800 feet.

    Other images show there is no collision damage to her vehicle. The windshield is smashed and the door is dented, but there is no sign of a collision. It was pulled from the water upside down.



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    I don't think this forum or Toni's new friends would necessarily know about any mental health issues. And how do we know they didn't? Nobody ever wants to admit these things. Toni wrote that she lost all her friends a few years ago, for various reasons, and I have always wondered what those reasons might be.

    According to this tweet, Toni did experience depression.


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    close up video of them pulling away with her vehicle in tow.

    https://www.facebook.com/kmbc9/video...4932647111221/

    Surprisingly, they are towing it with the wheels on the pavement.

    The lack of front end damage or damage to the plastic cowling in the front is puzzling.

    https://www.facebook.com/kmbc9/video...4932647111221/

  15. #525
    Quote Originally Posted by MaxManning View Post
    So you are saying that the car went upstream?

    I'm confused. I'd say the chances of it going 8 miles downstream is more likely than 1/10th mile up stream.

    Which are you saying you believe? she went into the water west or east of the park on 9 corridor?
    Yes, that is correct.

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