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    IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 - #27

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    Please DO NOT bring in family members of the victim's and suggest they might have had something to do with the crime. As of right now, there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.

    People, please think about what Abby and Liberty's loved ones are going through right now.

    They lost their two angels to murder and now they read on the Internet people are ripping their lives apart.

    Same thing with any random person you happen to bring up. These people do not deserve to have their lives spread out and accusations made against them based on a theory with nothing to back it up.

    I know it's frustrating when you go on other sites and they are talking about EVERYTHING but we just do not work that way on Websleuths.

    You are anonymous behind your computer screen. Doesn't hurt you if you post something that's not true about a grieving family member. You step away from your computer and all is well. Meanwhile, your words are like burning hot knives in people's hearts.

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    MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trai
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    Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at High Bridge, just east of Delphi.


    Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

    Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

    State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.

    Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

    ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at
    (800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to
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    video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

    RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

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    Hi Everyone,

    In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

    I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

    You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

    Video # 1

    Video # 2 -

    Video # 3


    Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

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    Any new developments?

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    Haven't heard anything.

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    Nothing new on Twitter today or tonight. Nothing new in MSM, either. Most of the articles are rehashes of old news.

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    Possible pouch logo

    After checking with a moderator, I am making this post. Not claiming, this is indeed the GEO CACHING logo, but it is very similar. I see a very distinct cross design with a circle. All my opinion only.


    PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS ANY INDIVIDUALS IN CONNECTION WITH GEO CACHING. THIS INCLUDES IN PARTICULAR ANY FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE VICTIMS.


    The POI, the pouch, the logo, the symbol for GEO CACHING , the GEO CACHE logo in perspective on the pouch, POI shirt logo, examples of possible GEO CACHING logos:

    (algorithm, BW, dynamic brightness, filter applications, contrast adjustments, blacks and whites adjusted)








    The design on the POI’s shirt partially seen beneath the open part of the jacket could also possibly be GEO CACHING related. Here is an example of two GEO CACHING logos in comparison to the target design:




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    Carrying this over

    Quote Originally Posted by Burnt Toast View Post
    Obituaries are written by the family. The coroner does not play any part with it. It looks like one family chose the date their child was found, and the other the date of the murder.
    This isn't entirely accurate many times the facts of the obit is based off of the death certificate that is signed by the coroner.( I have a family member that is a funeral director).And in many small communities such as mine, many times a funeral director may also be the county coroner. In many cases such as natural death, the funeral home gets the pertinent info off of the death certificate and they add the families personal thoughts to make the full obit. My speculation is that funeral homes didn't have the death certificates at the time that the obit was put together, not uncommon in cases like this.
    Last edited by ab01; 03-12-2017 at 11:12 PM.

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    Response to No it's not, post #16.

    I don't normally reply without quoting, but that is such a massive post I'd rather not.

    Anyway, that logo is the first time I've seen anything that "clicks" with me, about BG's appearance. Most all of what has been posted has looked like "wishful thinking", or an "overly active imagination"; as my folks and Grandparents used to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No it's not View Post
    After checking with a moderator, I am making this post. Not claiming, this is indeed the GEO CACHING logo, but it is very similar. I see a very distinct cross design with a circle. All my opinion only.

    Very interesting NIN excellent work as always!
    Last edited by tlcya; 03-12-2017 at 11:18 PM. Reason: close quote

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    <modsnip> I've been seeing so many people saying they think the girls were taken somewhere else and their bodies dumped there or that they were brought over from the south side of the creek, but that doesn't make sense to me. When you look at how much time there was between the time the video of him was made and when their ride was supposed to be there (I've never seen the time the person actually got there), that gives less than an hour for the murders, whatever else was done, getting to the site where they were found and him/them getting out of the area or at least out of sight.

    If the girls were forced across the bridge, they'd probably be too scared/shaky to walk very fast. If they went off the south end and tried to run, going through the creek would have slowed them down. If they went off the south end and didn't run, there'd be no reason to take them across the creek; it would waste time, making it more likely that he'd be caught, make them more obvious to anyone on or near the bridge, making it more likely that they'd be seen and get his clothes wet, making it harder to blend into a crowd if he had to.

    If they were taken somewhere else, it would make no sense to bring them back to where they were taken. There would almost certainly be someone there looking for them, and there are plenty of other more private places to leave them where there would be less likely to be witnesses.

    For these reasons, and maybe some others, I believe the girls crossed to the north side of the bridge on their own, and he followed them across. It would have been getting close to pick up time, but they would have still had a bit of time left. I think they may have headed to the cemetery or into the woods for some more pictures, and he (with a possible accomplice) eventually forced them down to the area where they were found.

    There could be quite a bit more that happened, and I may have some of it wrong, but this is an outline of what I feel is most likely to have happened. MOO
    Last edited by sillybilly; 03-13-2017 at 12:15 AM. Reason: all fixed
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    Quote Originally Posted by No it's not View Post
    After checking with a moderator, I am making this post. Not claiming, this is indeed the GEO CACHING logo, but it is very similar. I see a very distinct cross design with a circle. All my opinion only.
    Good work.

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