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  1. #1
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    OK - Pawnee Co, Fem UP12202, 21-35, remains north Mannford, pubis defect, Aug'82

    NamUs UP 12202

    https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/12202

    Unidentified Body/Remains (Female)


    Found August 19, 1982 in Pawnee County, OK
    Body Condition: Not recognizable - partial skeletal parts only
    Probable year of death: 1982 to 1982
    Estimated postmortem interval: Months


    Vital Statistics
    Estimated age: 21-35
    Approximate Height: cannot estimate
    Approximate Weight: cannot estimate
    Hair Color:
    brown hair recovered
    Eye Color: Unknown
    Scars and marks:
    right radius (forearm) - healed fracture; right pubis - healed circular defect

    Clothing & Accessories
    Clothing:
    Off-white terry cloth dress ('Mistra' brand, size Small); Terry cloth bootie (unknown color)
    Jewerly: nothing
    Footwear: nothing
    Accessories: nothing

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is not available
    Dentals: Dental information / charting is available
    DNA: Sample is currently not available

    Case History:
    Skeletal remains found 5 miles north of Mannford.
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    Carolyn Sue Martin
    26yo missing from MI since August 1981.

    martin_carolyn.jpg

    Was supposed to be travelling with her husband to TX. Long story, see the CP profile.
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_carolyn.html

    At a very young age, Carolyn had fractured her arm. This may still show up in a xray. (Namus)
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/6907/65

    Arm fracture, height, weight, hair color, and she is the only potential missing I found that would fit into that small dress.

    Circumstances suggest she may have made it as far as OK, but that questionable. PM interval would be a few months outside of 1982 though.

  3. #3
    I think Deborah Farmer may be a good possibility. She was 26yo when she went missing from Midwest City, OK in June 1981.

    farmer_deborah.jpg

    The distance between missing and UID location is less than 100 miles.
    The time between missing and UID find is about 14 months.
    Deborah had a wrist injury and cast when she went missing, the UID had a forearm fracture.

    However, Deborah has DNA but no dentals, UID has dentals but no DNA (sample not currently available).

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/35284/

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...r_deborah.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by watergirl62 View Post
    Carolyn Sue Martin
    26yo missing from MI since August 1981.



    Was supposed to be travelling with her husband to TX. Long story, see the CP profile.
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_carolyn.html

    At a very young age, Carolyn had fractured her arm. This may still show up in a xray. (Namus)
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/6907/65

    Arm fracture, height, weight, hair color, and she is the only potential missing I found that would fit into that small dress.

    Circumstances suggest she may have made it as far as OK, but that's questionable. PM interval would be a few months outside of 1982 though.
    Harry Kzirian probably buried Carolyn and her young son Mark; he would have known that he'd be the prime suspect, so I don't think he would have just dumped the bodies. (I do think he might have buried them in different locations in order to hinder identification should one of them be found, so I wouldn't necessarily expect Carolyn to be found with her son.) She's still a good candidate overall, though.

    As for the Mistra brand dress, can anyone comment on whether that brand was distributed nationwide?
    Last edited by Ozoner; 11-24-2017 at 11:28 AM.

  5. #5
    I got a message back from the OCME. UID remains can't be found to get a DNA sample for comparison. Nothing to compare.

    That was a quick reply, I just submitted Deborah Farmer a couple of days ago. OCME said they would let me know if things change and a comparison happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watergirl62 View Post
    I got a message back from the OCME. UID remains can't be found to get a DNA sample for comparison. Nothing to compare.

    That was a quick reply, I just submitted Deborah Farmer a couple of days ago. OCME said they would let me know if things change and a comparison happens.
    EBM
    I really tire of hearing that from LE. The systemic incompetence is bewildering to say the least.



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