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    IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #32

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    Dear Websleuths Members,

    Please DO NOT bring in family members of the victim's and suggest they might have had something to do with the crime. As of right now, there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.

    People, please think about what Abby and Liberty's loved ones are going through right now.

    They lost their two angels to murder and now they read on the Internet people are ripping their lives apart.

    Same thing with any random person you happen to bring up. These people do not deserve to have their lives spread out and accusations made against them based on a theory with nothing to back it up.

    I know it's frustrating when you go on other sites and they are talking about EVERYTHING but we just do not work that way on Websleuths.

    You are anonymous behind your computer screen. Doesn't hurt you if you post something that's not true about a grieving family member. You step away from your computer and all is well. Meanwhile, your words are like burning hot knives in people's hearts.

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    Ask yourself the following; Would you stand face to face with the person you are accusing, tell them your theory and tell them your real name?

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    MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trai
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    Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at High Bridge, just east of Delphi.


    Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

    Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

    State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.

    Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

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    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at
    (800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to
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    video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

    RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

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    ADMIN NOTE: Do NOT post photos of random individuals in a side by side fashion to compare with unidentified suspect. You may be sleuthing someone ten ways to Sunday but do NOT post about it here. Until there is a named suspect to sleuth it is against TOS.

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    Hi Everyone,

    In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

    I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

    You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

    Video # 1

    Video # 2 -

    Video # 3


    Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

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    As of Today's date there are no NAMED POIs or suspects. There is a suspect who is unidentified and is the subject in the images taken from Liberty German's phone.

    That unidentified male is being referred to here as BG (bridge guy).

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    ATTENTION EVERYONE:

    With the latest search warrant being served at the home of property owner Ron Logan we have decided to open up Ron Logan to sleuthing with these rules:

    *Use his initials only (R.L.) or call him the land owner.

    *This does not mean you can sleuth his family or neighbors.

    *In the event you do discover something about someone else who happens to be connected to R.L. and you think
    it is related to the case you must check with us before you post it.

    * R.L HAS NOT BEEN NAMED A PERSON OF INTEREST. Please do not accuse him of the crime.

    If you have any questions alert on any post and send us your question. Or you can send a private message to one of the mods.

    To reiterate, You can now sleuth the land owner R.L. but ONLY R.L. No accusing R.L. or anyone of being the killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    This just in from Alexis McAdams:

    BREAKING: ISP,FBI & Carrol Co. Sheriffs served search warrant at home of Ron Logan- owner of the property where the girls bodies were found

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    Do any of the fantastic maps created by WS members depict all four: the Monon High Bridge park, RL's property, the Bicycle Rd home where first warrant was executed, and Delphi cell towers(I believe there are two?)

    Also, I've read that both girls lived close....One girl lived 1/8 of a mile from bridge. Would it be against rules to pin their homes on same map?

    I have a theory that LE is following pings. They are missing a crime scene IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGE View Post
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    His conclusions shocked me. All he had to do was flip BG's photos, put them side by side scaled the same, and then he explained to me that too many points align for him to be willing to say it's NOT the same person, and in fact the arms. THE ARMS.

    look at the arms.

    That is an unusual and unique feature of his overall gait, the way he holds his arms and his elbows. One is always up higher than the other, one side pointed out at an angle and the other lower and more curved.

    Attachment 113049

    The waist falls at the same place. the knees are located the same distance from feet and waist. There's even the same shadow/hanging thing (pocket, fanny pack, whatever) appearing there. He asserts that to him the face matches. He said to me "its' even the same camoflauge hat" to which I replied "FOR THE LOVE OF G-d, ITS A HOODIE" and he said "are you sure?" and I said "well, no" and he said "look again".
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    Respectfully snipped above. Wow. The position of both arms along with the height, knees, waist similarities really makes me think twice. I'm still wondering if there is anyone close to him that may resemble similar features but may be 30 years or so younger. BG does appear to be younger in the face, imo. I am not suggesting to sleuth anyone in particular as I'm aware that is against the rules until/ unless someone is named. JMO.


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    JMO but I do not think RL is BG. RL is a bigger man, taller, broader shoulders, longer torso and RL looks to be much older. Again JMO but I think he may have knowledge of who BG is and may have helped BG cover the crime up possibly without even knowing he was doing so at the time, only to realize it later. Now, he is afraid. Afraid for himself both because BG is still out there and knows RL knows who he is, and afraid of what this all means for him legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imvp2 View Post
    My best guess would be he didn't intentionally off them, but was frustrated over repeated trespassing by folks. So he may have thought he was going to teach them a lesson, so they were asked to remove clothing. Then, bound and gagged. Then he leaves thinking they will be found before nightfall. Doesn't happen and perhaps they succumb from something during the night. Just a guess here.
    I think this could work... the only trouble I have is that RL has talked about the joy his child and grandchildren have had playing on the property. Why would two nice young girls out hiking trigger him... now if they were doing drug or drinking on his property I could see him flying into a fit of rage but just walking through? He also said he knew the families so he would have been able to just call or talk to parents if he was really that angry... murder seems like a huge leap... JMO




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    If one of their homes is near the crime scene, then have the LE opened it up to a possibility of someone in the family or knew the family? They would have known exact time of when the drop off and pick up were to occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Momma2cam View Post
    Respectfully snipped above. Wow. The position of both arms along with the height, knees, waist similarities really makes me think twice. I'm still wondering if there is anyone close to him that may resemble similar features but may be 30 years or so younger. BG does appear to be younger in the face, imo. I am not suggesting to sleuth anyone in particular as I'm aware that is against the rules until/ unless someone is named. JMO.


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    I keep looking at the second green hoodie pic. Now i've seen RL. If that second pic of RL was the released picture would i think that was RL?

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