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Dear Websleuths Members,

Please DO NOT bring in family members of the victim's and suggest they might have had something to do with the crime. As of right now, there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.

People, please think about what Abby and Liberty's loved ones are going through right now.

They lost their two angels to murder and now they read on the Internet people are ripping their lives apart.

Same thing with any random person you happen to bring up. These people do not deserve to have their lives spread out and accusations made against them based on a theory with nothing to back it up.

I know it's frustrating when you go on other sites and they are talking about EVERYTHING but we just do not work that way on Websleuths.

You are anonymous behind your computer screen. Doesn't hurt you if you post something that's not true about a grieving family member. You step away from your computer and all is well. Meanwhile, your words are like burning hot knives in people's hearts.

Please take a moment to read our ruleshttp://www.websleuths.com/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

If you have any questions please email websleuthscomments@gmail.com or send a private message.

Ask yourself the following; Would you stand face to face with the person you are accusing, tell them your theory and tell them your real name?

Even with our tight and well thought out rules Websleuths is able to do amazing sleuthing.

Thank you for caring about Abby and Liberty.

Tricia Griffith
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PS. Thank you KayElJay for letting me post in your opening post.

MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trail
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Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at High Bridge, just east of Delphi.
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Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.

Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

Pictures of Abby and Libby
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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at (800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

Teen used cell phone to capture chilling audio of her killer: Police
 
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Hi Everyone,

In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

Video # 1 [video=youtube;_TFz4citG68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFz4citG68&index=2&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]

Video # 2 - [video=youtube;AS24hYv_X8Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS24hYv_X8Q&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws&index=1[/video]

Video # 3 [video=youtube;HH3twaMV9Fg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3twaMV9Fg&index=3&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]


Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

Tricia Griffith
Owner/Websleuths.com
 
As of Today's date there are no NAMED POIs or suspects. There is a suspect who is unidentified and is the subject in the images taken from Liberty German's phone.

That unidentified male is being referred to here as BG (bridge guy).

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ATTENTION EVERYONE:

With the latest search warrant being served at the home of property owner Ron Logan we have decided to open up Ron Logan to sleuthing with these rules:

*Use his initials only (R.L.) or call him the land owner.

*This does not mean you can sleuth his family or neighbors.

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To reiterate, You can now sleuth the land owner R.L. but ONLY R.L. No accusing R.L. or anyone of being the killer.

Thank you,
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carbuff said:
This just in from Alexis McAdams:

BREAKING: ISP,FBI & Carrol Co. Sheriffs served search warrant at home of Ron Logan- owner of the property where the girls bodies were found

[video=twitter;842769551901282304]https://twitter.com/AlexisMcAdamsTV/status/842769551901282304[/video]
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Do any of the fantastic maps created by WS members depict all four: the Monon High Bridge park, RL's property, the Bicycle Rd home where first warrant was executed, and Delphi cell towers(I believe there are two?)

Also, I've read that both girls lived close....One girl lived 1/8 of a mile from bridge. Would it be against rules to pin their homes on same map?

I have a theory that LE is following pings. They are missing a crime scene IMO.
 
GGE said:
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His conclusions shocked me. All he had to do was flip BG's photos, put them side by side scaled the same, and then he explained to me that too many points align for him to be willing to say it's NOT the same person, and in fact the arms. THE ARMS.

look at the arms.

That is an unusual and unique feature of his overall gait, the way he holds his arms and his elbows. One is always up higher than the other, one side pointed out at an angle and the other lower and more curved.

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The waist falls at the same place. the knees are located the same distance from feet and waist. There's even the same shadow/hanging thing (pocket, fanny pack, whatever) appearing there. He asserts that to him the face matches. He said to me "its' even the same camoflauge hat" to which I replied "FOR THE LOVE OF G-d, ITS A HOODIE" and he said "are you sure?" and I said "well, no" and he said "look again".
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Respectfully snipped above. Wow. The position of both arms along with the height, knees, waist similarities really makes me think twice. I'm still wondering if there is anyone close to him that may resemble similar features but may be 30 years or so younger. BG does appear to be younger in the face, imo. I am not suggesting to sleuth anyone in particular as I'm aware that is against the rules until/ unless someone is named. JMO.


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JMO but I do not think RL is BG. RL is a bigger man, taller, broader shoulders, longer torso and RL looks to be much older. Again JMO but I think he may have knowledge of who BG is and may have helped BG cover the crime up possibly without even knowing he was doing so at the time, only to realize it later. Now, he is afraid. Afraid for himself both because BG is still out there and knows RL knows who he is, and afraid of what this all means for him legally.
 
Around and around we go! I'm getting dizzy!!!


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Imvp2 said:
My best guess would be he didn't intentionally off them, but was frustrated over repeated trespassing by folks. So he may have thought he was going to teach them a lesson, so they were asked to remove clothing. Then, bound and gagged. Then he leaves thinking they will be found before nightfall. Doesn't happen and perhaps they succumb from something during the night. Just a guess here.
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I think this could work... the only trouble I have is that RL has talked about the joy his child and grandchildren have had playing on the property. Why would two nice young girls out hiking trigger him... now if they were doing drug or drinking on his property I could see him flying into a fit of rage but just walking through? He also said he knew the families so he would have been able to just call or talk to parents if he was really that angry... murder seems like a huge leap... JMO
 
If one of their homes is near the crime scene, then have the LE opened it up to a possibility of someone in the family or knew the family? They would have known exact time of when the drop off and pick up were to occur.
 
Momma2cam said:
Respectfully snipped above. Wow. The position of both arms along with the height, knees, waist similarities really makes me think twice. I'm still wondering if there is anyone close to him that may resemble similar features but may be 30 years or so younger. BG does appear to be younger in the face, imo. I am not suggesting to sleuth anyone in particular as I'm aware that is against the rules until/ unless someone is named. JMO.


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I keep looking at the second green hoodie pic. Now i've seen RL. If that second pic of RL was the released picture would i think that was RL?

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I was just typing this, LOL

WebSight said:
If I could just interject something here? None of the other LE vehicles are actually parked on the property but on the street. I just think that they would not be parking LE vehicles on the property they are trying to search.

This one is well on the property with no markings so I would lean towards thinking the truck belongs to RL.

I could absolutely be wrong but that is my thinking.
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In the photo gallery look at pics # 6 & 7. The vehicle with the utility body is in 2 different places. In pic 7 there are other vehicles around it.
http://fox59.com/2017/03/17/authorities-serve-search-warrant-in-connection-with-delphi-murder-case/

Then in the report by Rich V @ 1:45 the utility drives up to the LE vehicles and gets out to speak to an officer.
http://www.wthr.com/article/police-search-home-property-of-man-where-delphi-teens-were-found

IMO he is a csi tech and that vehicle would not be marked so as to not bring attention to any evidence he may be transporting.
 
Bird of Paradise said:
BBM - this is what I am having a hard time wrapping my head around. GGE's friend does a few frame flips and finds bridge guy and property owner appear to be the same person.

Something just doesn't add up but I can't be sure what it is.

A couple of days ago many were certain the BG was a RSO. So certain they called in a tip. Now many are certain the property owner is the BG. I'm not critiquing anyone's belief. Only wondering how much the power of suggestion keeps someone trying to put a square peg into a round hole.

Absolutely no snark intended as this is as confounding to me as well although I have stated my beliefs in the past.
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It is quite possible he's been on the radar since day one and that they have continued to monitor him closely. LE has made recent comments about alibis not checking out, referenced they may have already spoken to the killer, picked him up on a probation violation and a week later obtained a search warrant for his home and entire property specifically related to the murders. Moreover, LE indicated they are searching to clear him or move him up to be a greater suspect than initially thought. Add statistics that LE usually has contact with the perp within the first week or two of a crime and it makes sense that they may have suspected involvement early on but were waiting for evidence to charge. JMO.

Edited to add: Until now we have not been able to sleuth the PO on WS but there has been discussion elsewhere since early on. To me, his possible connection (knowingly or unknowingly, intentional or unintentional) is a lot less like sticking a square in a round peg than a random RSO who has a similar resemblance. There are too many factors, beginning with the bodies being found on his property, to dismiss the resemblance and search warrant so quickly. JMO.


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Bird of Paradise said:
To poke a hole in your thought.... do you think seeing those girls in that state is what led LE to look so shocked at he press conference? Looked to me like they heard or saw something they'll never forget....
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Yes. Just seeing the two tied in some fashion ,(not saying how) could be horrific enough in my opinion
 
Momma2cam said:
It is quite possible he's been on the radar since day one and that they have continued to monitor him closely. LE has made recent comments about alibis not checking out, referenced they may have already spoken to the killer, picked him up on a probation violation and a week later obtains a search warrant for his home and entire property specifically related to the murders. Moreover, LE indicates they are searching to clear him or move him up to be a greater suspect than initially thought. Add statistics that LE usually has contact with the perp within the first week or two of a crime and it makes sense that they may have suspected involvement early on but were waiting for evidence to charge. JMO.

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Agree all all points momma2. This appears to be a game of cat and mouse with what LE releases to the public. I have never had any doubt that they were/are well aware of what is going on and had a sense from the beginning.
 
Steleheart said:
I was just typing this, LOL



In the photo gallery look at pics # 6 & 7. The vehicle with the utility body is in 2 different places. In pic 7 there are other vehicles around it.
http://fox59.com/2017/03/17/authorities-serve-search-warrant-in-connection-with-delphi-murder-case/

Then in the report by Rich V i@ 1:45 the utility drives up to the LE vehicles and gets out to speak to an officer.
http://www.wthr.com/article/police-search-home-property-of-man-where-delphi-teens-were-found

IMO he is a csi tech and that vehicle would not be marked so as to not bring attention to any evidence he may be transporting.
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Everyone, thanks so much for trying to clarify this for me and thanks for the links. I have not been able to follow through on the links given before because of time constraints and I have just been refreshing when I come back to the computer to see if there is news.

Apologies if you all are having to explain the obvious!

Note to self: refrain from posting without sleuthing available resources first that might answer your question.
 
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