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  1. #1
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    Very Strange Story/Note from 1985 Found in Butt of Gun

    Here is a mystery that may be a real thing or it may be Fake News.

    A gentleman cleaning his gun found a note stuff in the butt of the gun about a suicide the writer claims was murder.

    It was first posted on my Facebook page and in turn, I posted this on Websleuths Facebook.

    https://www.facebook.com/Websleuths-311461642390611/

    There is another picture of the butt of the gun where the note was found.

    Here is an article about the suicide

    https://newspaperarchive.com/farming...s-jun-22-1985/

    Please do not put up contact information for Bill the man who signed the note. I am working on that end of it and seeing if I can contact
    the correct one. The last thing we need are 10 thousand people calling to ask about the suicide.

    I'll work on contacting this person and you please see if you can figure out if this is fake or not.

    If you come accross personal info do not post it. Please PM me or send it to my email triciastruecrimeradio@gmail.com

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    Someone just messaged me and said Bill has been found and he is commenting. That's all I was told.

    If you happen to come across where Bill, the man who wrote the note, is commenting please feel free to post here.

    I only have what was posted on my Facebook page so I could be way behind the story.

    However, there is no doubt you all will catch me up.

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    Well that was quick.

    Bill has been found and the story is true as far as the note in the gun.

    Bill makes comments on this thread on Facebook. You have to search for them but they're there.

    https://www.facebook.com/timmy.marti...63514217048711

    I will be contacting him later and ask him to join Websleuths. Maybe we can help this person.

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    Very interesting!

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    Wait. If you're trying to prove your father was murdered why would you get rid of the gun?

    A very similar thing happened to my grandfather on the 70's. I feel him.


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    Fascinating, and I managed to find Bill's comments. Seems another son, Adam, has also commented but it's unclear whether Bill knows Adam. Anyway, marking my spot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tssiemer View Post
    Wait. If you're trying to prove your father was murdered why would you get rid of the gun?

    A very similar thing happened to my grandfather on the 70's. I feel him.


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    Just thinking - perhaps he was afraid the murderer would come after him. Two deaths might get more attention from LE. Although fearing for his own life would probably have been included in the note.
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    A 1985 article - Harley Smith's death considered suicide

    https://newspaperarchive.com/farming...s-jun-22-1985/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BayouBelle_LA View Post
    A 1985 article - Harley Smith's death considered suicide

    https://newspaperarchive.com/farming...s-jun-22-1985/
    Bill commented that the gun was found 37 feet from his father's body.

    Who knows, maybe the mom knows more than she told him.

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    I've tried to get to Bills comments, no luck, Facebook will not let me, it keeps freezing up. ☹️
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    Both sons are commenting. I wish them luck.
    Media thread for Abby and Libby.


    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...5#post13163455




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    From the newspaper archive https://newspaperarchive.com/farming...s-jun-22-1985/

    It seems just days before the 'suicide' there was a robbery at the Shamrock service station. Smith was putting money in a safe when he was grabbed from behind, handcuffed and stabbed. Wow. Maybe somebody wanted him gone.

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    pretty convoluted story

    there's even speculation about what Bill's father did for a living ... apparently they ruled out protected witness and FBI agent ... bizarre

    (from https://newspaperarchive.com/farming...s-jun-22-1985/)

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    Interesting and weird. Lots of possibilities. Sleuthing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tssiemer View Post
    Wait. If you're trying to prove your father was murdered why would you get rid of the gun?

    A very similar thing happened to my grandfather on the 70's. I feel him.


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    On the Facebook page of the guy who found the note (posted above) in the comments it states that the gun was stolen after the murder/suicide and was eventually bought by the now owners grandfather I believe. Not sure if true or not.

    This has got to be one way to get a cold cases pulse going. Interesting to see where this leads


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