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    Quote Originally Posted by kellala View Post
    I will think from the photo that is pretty obvious that RL is not BG. But can photos fool people's eyes? For example in RL's mugshot photo his skin is so white while normally he looks very ruddy. Do you think LE should ask a/ several model(s) to dress like BG and take some photos using the exact same model of Libby's phone and do some comparison?


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    Funny- a member here actually did that! He did a reeeally good job, too! And the height matched exactly what mcumings estimates were. About 5.9 or 5.10. He was 6 feet and bridge guy was clearly shorter. Also, clearly and older body, and the member was 38, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoKid View Post
    Sounds muffled, like the phone was in a pocket. Most kids carry their phones in their back pockets. That's likely where it was.


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    Also, just riffing here: If the video was saved and LE does not have the actual phone, she had to have either saved it to her Snapchat "story" or sent it to someone who took a screenshot. Or both. Otherwise, it would have disappeared/self deleted a few seconds after it was opened. That's what Snapchat is designed to do. Doing all of that takes time. The kids had to have been pretty concerned about BG to do all of that. IMO. To me, that could mean they saw him coming from a long way off or had run across him previously and noted odd behavior. If so, he could have been hanging around there long enough for others to see him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kellala View Post
    I will think from the photo that is pretty obvious that RL is not BG. But can photos fool people's eyes? For example in RL's mugshot photo his skin is so white while normally he looks very ruddy. Do you think LE should ask a/ several model(s) to dress like BG and take some photos using the exact same model of Libby's phone and do some comparison?


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    No snark intended, but I don't get the obsession over the photo. They have got to have physical evidence as well. While they called BG a POI or suspect, might the evidence have pointed a different direction? I think they probably have a lot of physical evidence.

    I'm curious about the other people on the trail. A parked car in the spot where other hikers park seems very risky to me in broad daylight with two victims to control.

    Another poster upthread thinks the murders were done elsewhere. A barn, a structure on RL's property?

    If Abby had a phone that wasn't recovered or later found, couldn't someone have tossed it on their way in or out of town & thus the pinging all over town statement?

    I'm still curious about trash pickup there on RL's property.

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    Great Big MOO here: both girls had various social media accounts. as i understand it, AW lived within a mile of this place. i believe that it is very possible someone had been watching her for some time. maybe they knew her, maybe they knew her parents, but i think they've been watching her for a while. fixated on her. waiting for the right time. perhaps waiting until she reached the preferred age. if they'd been tipped off by a comment she'd made about her plans for that day made on a social media site, they could have easily prepared for her and LGs arrival. i believe those girls were on the bridge together and there were two men who pinned them on the bridge from either side. by that i mean they easily could have entered the bridge from opposite ends, meeting the girls somewhere in the middle, leaving them nowhere to run. as i understand it, there is no cell phone service on the bridge so it's likely LGs snapchat post was actually uploaded after they came off the bridge. as i continue to listen to the audio it becomes more and more clear to me that the voice says "get down the hill", not simply "down the hill". i believe they knew these girls were coming. i believe AW was the target. and now i feel pretty sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocgrad View Post
    100% agree. Exactly.
    What do you think they are doing with RL? I don't see how this action on him will flush out the killers. This isn't some local police ruse, it's the FBI at a pretty high level. Why would they say, We can't verify RL isn't the BG at this time?
    That's what I'm stuck on, too. As much as I don't want to see any innocent person's life ruined over gossip and a perceived witch hunt, I can't buy into a conspiracy or LE scapegoat at this time.

    Why were they quick to tell people not to bother others who were searched and why were only a few (3?) Of the dozen search warrants' details publicized? What would LE's motive be to make comments regarding attempting to clear him or move him higher up as a suspect than previously thought when they were quick to dismiss a connection to residents of the other homes immediately?

    I can't help but wonder if they do know who BG is (not saying it is RL) and they knew exactly what they've been looking for at those other homes, which didn't necessarily include one of the homeowners or residents. JMO.

    I don't know who BG is but I do hope LE's silence the last couple wks in regards to seeking more tips from the public is an indication that they do. Whether RL is involved or not is not as important as finding who is involved. I don't hope one way or another what type of profile BG and any other perp (s) have - young, middle age, elderly, local, drifter, etc - I just hope that whoever it is, is held responsible and justice is served. JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bemused View Post
    Who watched the Banfield piece on the case tonight? They played the audio clip several times and to me the voice sounded winded.
    I watched it. The most interesting part of the interview to me was at the end when Ashleigh Banfield asked RL's attorney if the attorney knows where RL's son and grandson are and the attorney said he did not know and wouldn't tell her even if he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocgrad View Post
    100% agree. Exactly.
    What do you think they are doing with RL? I don't see how this action on him will flush out the killers. This isn't some local police ruse, it's the FBI at a pretty high level. Why would they say, We can't verify RL isn't the BG at this time?
    I am not sure what they are doing with RL. There certainly has been talk here and on SM of RL to BG from before he was popped on the probation violation. It certainly ramped up afterwards. My guess is that he was someone that was the subject of hundreds of tips (from all corners of the globe) and they have to account for that. Just like the same small set of RSOs are likely the subject of several thousand tips that LE also have to account for as well. If we could boil this down to unique names LE has been given (if they would offer the names, of course) we probably wouldn't end up with much more than what they have already acknowledged in terms of interviewing people - which I think they said 70 interviewed (someone can correct) and a dozen searches.

    I certainly don't think it is a ruse by FBI and LE but I also don't think that this search of RL's property will get them to the killer(s). FBI and LE, especially in recent times play the percentages game and use investigative checklists and such and don't spend as much time doing the kind of investigating that they are quite capable of doing. The modern techniques take individual thinking out the equation in the investigative process because the checklists are the functional equivalent of an "expert system" of the tried and true process that find the culprits in most cases. This is true in many fields and not just law enforcement. But regardless of the domain, once the checklist leads to dead ends in a case you need to stop using the checklist because you will end up in the same place every time you try to apply it.

    I can't find any explanation for why LE waited this long to do the kind of search they just conducted on RL's place if they had the slightest inkling he was involved or knew who was involved or that his home, vehicles, or buildings on the property were used in the commission of this crime. RL had waived his 4th amendment rights. LE would know that the instant they ran him. They didn't need to wait. They didn't even need a warrant.

    Of course, I can always be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EntreNous View Post
    Great Big MOO here: both girls had various social media accounts. as i understand it, AW lived within a mile of this place. i believe that it is very possible someone had been watching her for some time. maybe they knew her, maybe they knew her parents, but i think they've been watching her for a while. fixated on her. waiting for the right time. perhaps waiting until she reached the preferred age. if they'd been tipped off by a comment she'd made about her plans for that day made on a social media site, they could have easily prepared for her and LGs arrival. i believe those girls were on the bridge together and there were two men who pinned them on the bridge from either side. by that i mean they easily could have entered the bridge from opposite ends, meeting the girls somewhere in the middle, leaving them nowhere to run. as i understand it, there is no cell phone service on the bridge so it's likely LGs snapchat post was actually uploaded after they came off the bridge. as i continue to listen to the audio it becomes more and more clear to me that the voice says "get down the hill", not simply "down the hill". i believe they knew these girls were coming. i believe AW was the target. and now i feel pretty sick.
    Good stuff. Kids tend to broadcast their every move these days through social media. It's dangerous.


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    When was the last time LE asked for tips? Their silence is deafening. Even with no updates, shouldn't they still be encouraging the public to send tips, maybe even more so now with the momentum slowing?

    I think it's possible that they might have who they need but not what they need to substantiate, DNA perhaps.

    All MO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EntreNous View Post
    Great Big MOO here: both girls had various social media accounts. as i understand it, AW lived within a mile of this place. i believe that it is very possible someone had been watching her for some time. maybe they knew her, maybe they knew her parents, but i think they've been watching her for a while. fixated on her. waiting for the right time. perhaps waiting until she reached the preferred age. if they'd been tipped off by a comment she'd made about her plans for that day made on a social media site, they could have easily prepared for her and LGs arrival. i believe those girls were on the bridge together and there were two men who pinned them on the bridge from either side. by that i mean they easily could have entered the bridge from opposite ends, meeting the girls somewhere in the middle, leaving them nowhere to run. as i understand it, there is no cell phone service on the bridge so it's likely LGs snapchat post was actually uploaded after they came off the bridge. as i continue to listen to the audio it becomes more and more clear to me that the voice says "get down the hill", not simply "down the hill". i believe they knew these girls were coming. i believe AW was the target. and now i feel pretty sick.
    I agree with your theory. It makes absolute sense. Pinning the girls between two men would allow those men to completely control the situation, especially if one of the men (BG) had a gun. All MOO but your theory seems sound to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcumings View Post
    I have a question. In the second picture. The one of the creek. Is this looking from the bridge in the direction in which the bodies were found? If so, and they crossed the creek as some people surmise, would they have crossed from the right side (looking at the photo) to the left? If so, in my opinion that is totally NOT plausible. There is no way they went up that embankment. It would have been a chore for the most fit person, let alone two teenagers who were being made to do so under duress. I'm not even sure I am looking at the picture correctly, but if I am - I say no way.

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    I will say... this is the only one they said evidence will take several weeks rather than do not accuse this person- nothing of significance was found. That was said pretty quickly in the other cases. Something is definitely different here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcquay View Post
    At first I thought a beard. Then a few days later I thought rope. Tonight I'm seeing an animal head like a puppy and the puppy moves between shots making the shape of the white part look so different between shots.


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    Like a morphing Rorschach test. I keep seeing different things and most of the time I can't tell what I'm looking at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    Great job! I was hoping someone would do this. Can you remeasure from the foot that is on the ground? Also, note that he is bent over and his head is down so the measurement would be a minimum height. Therefore a suspect shorter than the height estimate should not be considered. Thank you for doing this.
    Just bumping this as some have asked for it again.
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    The transcript should be available later tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loading View Post
    When was the last time LE asked for tips? Their silence is deafening. Even with no updates, shouldn't they still be encouraging the public to send tips, maybe even more so now with the momentum slowing?

    I think it's possible that they might have who they need but not what they need to substantiate, DNA perhaps.

    All MO.


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    Agreed. That was the one thing that stuck out about the LE interview on HLN this evening. He never asked for tips and only offered short answers. And you can't tell me RL's attorney doesn't know where RL's son is. If he doesn't, he's not a good enough attorney to help RL. All MOO.


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