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    PA - Berks Co., BlkFem 349UFPA, 21-28, buried in state park, Jul'88

    Any one have any idea what grocery store could have those letters???


    Pieces of a white, plastic bag resembling a grocery bag were found in the grave with the remains. The bag had red lettering. The letters are believed to be "FA", "O" and "ATER".
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/349ufpa.html



    JBEAN ETA: ADDING SOME UPDATED LINKS FOR THIS COLD CASE >>COURTESY OF MAYFAIRLIGHT

    Updated links for "Help on a cold case puzzle/grocery bag "

    Doenetwork:
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/349ufpa.html

    Page at Pennsylvania missing, also pics of bag
    http://www.pennsylvaniamissing.com/349ufpa.html

    Direct links to bag pictures
    (maybe should be uploaded to here so everyone can view them easily?)

    http://www.pennsylvaniamissing.com/i...pa_-_Bag_1.jpg

    http://www.pennsylvaniamissing.com/i...ufpa_Bag_2.jpg
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 03-29-2013 at 02:39 AM. Reason: add doenetwork case number

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    Ater

    still looking but there is an ATER Texas
    http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/.../AA/hra60.html

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    Pictures of the grocery bag can be found here:

    http://www.pennsylvaniamissing.com/i...pa_-_Bag_1.jpg

    http://www.pennsylvaniamissing.com/i...ufpa_Bag_2.jpg

    Scroll down to the bottom of the page, larger pictures of the bag can be viewed by clicking on the pictures.
    Last edited by JBean; 06-16-2009 at 02:57 AM.


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    Couldn't resist guessing what these letters might mean. I thought maybe the "ater" could have been " catering", "eatery" or "cafeteria". Who knows. There was a chain of grocery stores in Ohio in the 80's named Fazios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollow
    Couldn't resist guessing what these letters might mean. I thought maybe the "ater" could have been " catering", "eatery" or "cafeteria". Who knows. There was a chain of grocery stores in Ohio in the 80's named Fazios.
    Do you know if they did any catering or had any type of eating places?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradise
    Do you know if they did any catering or had any type of eating places?
    I cannot remember, but that bag sure as heck looks like it says Fazios on it to me, I don't know if they had any in PA though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollow
    Couldn't resist guessing what these letters might mean. I thought maybe the "ater" could have been " catering", "eatery" or "cafeteria". Who knows. There was a chain of grocery stores in Ohio in the 80's named Fazios.
    I thought there was a grocery by a name that started with F, but for the life of me I couldn't remember what it was!

    Quick web check shows the following:
    Welcome to Fazio's Italian Restaurant, LaStalla Pizzeria, and The Sawtooth Tavern, all located at 38 Woodbridge Road in York, Maine
    http://www.fazios.com/

    Fazios Pizza & Subs, 1414 58th St S, Gulfport, FL
    http://local.yahoo.com/details?id=14480121

    Fazios Specialty Auto Parts - Fazios Specialty Auto Performance Parts - Fazios Specialty Auto Mobile Electronics - ...
    http://www.streetperformance.com/par...alty_auto.html
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollow
    I cannot remember, but that bag sure as heck looks like it says Fazios on it to me, I don't know if they had any in PA though.
    Well, this wouldn't be the first time a girl from Ohio was found in PA so just because there was a chain in OH I wouldn't discount the fact that it could've traveled from there to here.


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    or maybe a faygo ad?

    I played with gamma corrections, contrast and colors a bit and then put them in an album called bags and made it a public album so feel free to look. You might want to click a download button and then open the image to see it in its full size. I won't leave them up forever so if you want a copy just download it.
    http://photos.yahoo.com/docwho3

    It sort of reminds me of a faygo ad and I believe they had about 40 flavors then and I notice what looks like that number. I emailed a sodapop museum to ask about it just on the off chance that it might turn into something.

    Also I found the following jumble of bag info, everything from history of plastic grocery bags to other deaths related to grocery bags:

    Faygo soda history
    In 1987 it was bought by National Beverage Corp. of Ft. Lauderdale, FL.
    They added eight flavors after that for a totals of 49 flavors but in 1987 or 1988
    they must have had only about 40 flavors.
    http://www.sodamuseum.bigstep.com/generic.html?pid=30
    history of plastic bags
    http://www.plasticbag.com/environmental/history.html
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    another grocery bag killing 1993
    http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/c...=57605&ntpid=2

    A case is reported in which a lethal level of temazepam and asphyxia by a plastic bag were determined to be the cause of death. The decedent was a 43 year old female found in the cargo area of her sport utility vehicle parked at a nearby grocery store. Significant findings included a plastic grocery bag over her head, with the handles loosely tied around her head; acute, passive congestion of the liver, kidneys, and lungs; multiple notes detailing her intent to commit suicide were found in the vehicle; and an elevated temazepam concentration was detected in postmortem blood. The decedent had a history of depression and had attempted suicide on four previous occasions using her medications. Temazepam was identified and quantitated in the following tissues: heart blood 7.8 mg/L, urine 4.2 mg/L, muscle 5.9 mg/Kg, liver - 15.5 mg/Kg, kidney 11.3 mg/Kg, and brain 7.5 mg/Kg. Methylphenidate was also detected in the urine (0.14 mg/L) and at trace levels in the heart blood and all submitted tissue specimens.
    http://www.sat-tox.org/sanantonio.html

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    i was looking ast the bag and couldnt find anyting i could think of i have family in pa my aunt uncle my cousins and grandparents moved to pa about 12 years ago and my other aunt and uncle and cousins moved their 2 years ago im very familar with the names of grocery stores and other stores and such since i visit alot and i couldnt come up with anything


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    Just throwing this out here, but what about "Factory Outlet", in our area we have a lot of those malls, may not mean a lot, but that is the first thing that came to mind when I saw the bag.

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    He went for Faygo!

    Quote Originally Posted by docwho3
    I played with gamma corrections, contrast and colors a bit and then put them in an album called bags and made it a public album so feel free to look. You might want to click a download button and then open the image to see it in its full size. I won't leave them up forever so if you want a copy just download it.
    http://photos.yahoo.com/docwho3

    It sort of reminds me of a faygo ad and I believe they had about 40 flavors then and I notice what looks like that number. I emailed a sodapop museum to ask about it just on the off chance that it might turn into something.

    Also I found the following jumble of bag info, everything from history of plastic grocery bags to other deaths related to grocery bags:

    Faygo soda history
    In 1987 it was bought by National Beverage Corp. of Ft. Lauderdale, FL.
    They added eight flavors after that for a totals of 49 flavors but in 1987 or 1988 they must have had only about 40 flavors....
    When I looked at the picture this morning, I too thought of the Faygo Soda Pop company, and it looked to me like a two digit number below. Looking at your enhancements, I believe that it is more likely that the number is 49 rather than 40, because the bottom of the circle seems to end about the bottom of the horizizontal bar of the "4".

    These days, it seems that all soda pop companies are owned by large corporations and have a nationwide distribution - or at least they may be in various, widely separated states across the country. Back in the 1950's and up to the mid 1970's, I recall a much more "local" or small regional distribution of Soda Pop and Beer brands. I believe that Faygo was a local pop of Michigan and Ohio and possibly of another adjacent state or two. Bottle Collectors today would be very knowledgable of the specific distribution was.

    I grew up as a small child in a suburb of Detroit, Michigan and I very distinctly remember the Faygo soda pop and their TV commercials. One of them was a cartoon of the "Faygo Kid" who, after being shot full of holes, slapped up Black Bart and put both Bart and the black horse-he-rode-in-on in the jail, saving the girl passenger, and allowing the stage coach to proceed on its way.

    Another commercial was one done by the radio and movie actor who played "The Great Guildersleeve". In that commercial, he played a small store owner who would sell a Faygo red pop to a kid and then ask the audience, "When was the last time you had a good slug of Red Pop?"

    All that aside, I do not recall ever seeing Faygo advertising on plastic grocery bags. In fact, I think all grocery bags were pretty much the plain brown paper variety at least into the 1970's. It is more likely that such bags would have been provided to package stores by the National Distributer in an effort to advertize their soda pop in places where it was being newly introduced.

    Knowing the region where the bag came from might give some idea of where the victim or the perpetrator had been. Something more specific which the bag might provide would be fingerprints. I wonder if police were able to find any on the bag after such a long time.

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    Maybe this is a liquor store bag, since Title 40 is the Pennsylvania liquor control statutes.

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    For my two cents...The lower letters loook more like "..ATED", not "..ATER", the illusion of the "R" is created by the shading along the crease through the middle of the "D".A popular grocery chain in WV (and maybe elsewhere) was "Fas Chek". I believe they are still in business.

    I agree with Richard that numbers appear to be "49".

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    This is what I had been referring to:
    http://al_beagan.tripod.com/APRIL4/3835.htm

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