IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #39

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Dear Websleuths Members,

Please DO NOT bring in family members of the victim's and suggest they might have had something to do with the crime. As of right now, there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.

People, please think about what Abby and Liberty's loved ones are going through right now.

They lost their two angels to murder and now they read on the Internet people are ripping their lives apart.

Same thing with any random person you happen to bring up. These people do not deserve to have their lives spread out and accusations made against them based on a theory with nothing to back it up.

I know it's frustrating when you go on other sites and they are talking about EVERYTHING but we just do not work that way on Websleuths.

You are anonymous behind your computer screen. Doesn't hurt you if you post something that's not true about a grieving family member. You step away from your computer and all is well. Meanwhile, your words are like burning hot knives in people's hearts.

Please take a moment to read our rules
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/misc.php?do=showrules


If you have any questions please email websleuthscomments@gmail.com or send a private message.

Ask yourself the following; Would you stand face to face with the person you are accusing, tell them your theory and tell them your real name?

Even with our tight and well thought out rules Websleuths is able to do amazing sleuthing.

Thank you for caring about Abby and Liberty.

Tricia Griffith
Owner/Websleuths.com

PS. Thank you KayElJay for letting me post in your opening post.


MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trail

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Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at High Bridge, just east of Delphi.



Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.


Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

Pictures of Abby and Libby
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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at
(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to
Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

Teen used cell phone to capture chilling audio of her killer: Police
 
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Hi Everyone,

In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

Video # 1 [video=youtube;_TFz4citG68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFz4citG68&index=2&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]

Video # 2 - [video=youtube;AS24hYv_X8Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS24hYv_X8Q&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws&index=1[/video]

Video # 3 [video=youtube;HH3twaMV9Fg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3twaMV9Fg&index=3&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]


Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

Tricia Griffith
Owner/Websleuths.com
 
ATTENTION EVERYONE:

With the latest search warrant being served at the home of property owner Ron Logan we have decided to open up Ron Logan to sleuthing with these rules:

*Use his initials only (R.L.) or call him the land owner.

*This does not mean you can sleuth his family or neighbors.

*In the event you do discover something about someone else who happens to be connected to R.L. and you think
it is related to the case you must check with us before you post it.

* R.L HAS NOT BEEN NAMED A PERSON OF INTEREST. Please do not accuse him of the crime.

If you have any questions alert on any post and send us your question. Or you can send a private message to one of the mods.

To reiterate, You can now sleuth the land owner R.L. but ONLY R.L. No accusing R.L. or anyone of being the killer.

Thank you,
Tricia






This just in from Alexis McAdams:

BREAKING: ISP,FBI & Carrol Co. Sheriffs served search warrant at home of Ron Logan- owner of the property where the girls bodies were found

[video=twitter;842769551901282304]https://twitter.com/AlexisMcAdamsTV/status/842769551901282304[/video]
 
Someone (??) asked who other than RL has lied to LE...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/search-warrant-served-in-case-of-slain-delphi-indiana-girls/

State police Sgt. Kim Riley tells WLFI-TV some people questioned by investigators haven’t been truthful because they have criminal records. That’s forced police to devote time to clearing them as potential suspects in the killings.

JMO

ETA for the record: RL is not responsible for the deaths of Abby and Libby, IMO
 
Was finishing this reply as the previous thread closed:

I'm in Australia and coincidentally I recently watched a program named Anita, it's the harrowing story of the brutal rape and murder of Anita Cobby at the hands of a group of 5 sick individuals.
Anyone that was living in Australia at the time would remember when an Australian radio presenter, John Laws took matters in to his own hands and read the results of Anita's autopsy on live national radio.
This was huge at the time and through the shock,outrage and down right disgust that John Laws did this one thing became evident, the public were angry these sicko's were on our streets and they wanted answers. :tantrum:
Had John Laws not told the public what this poor beautiful girl went through Anita's murderers may never have been bought to justice and ultimately it was a family member that sealed their fate. That family member/witness, Miss X stated after she heard what had happened to Anita on the radio she decided to get involved and help police and she really sealed the fate of these animals who received life sentences, their files are marked NEVER TO BE RELEASED...:laughing:
Miss X is still in witness protection to this day.
Of course I don't think authorities should release all the details of what happened to the girls but I do think they should release enough to make people talk, this case needs a good shake up and now would be a good time IMO
Anita's story gives me a cold chill no matter how many times I read it over.

Those men were monsters, born of monsters.

Sadistic and horrific. :(

ETA: while I appreciate careful wording with respect to the families of victims, I do believe we are in a world where many people are desensitized to acts of violence. If being more forthcoming with regards to the details of this crime will help stop a violent predator, then IMO, the ends justify the means. (This was part of my original reply)
 
I asked because the OP said everyone was lying to police, then said many

when what the police actually said was some

big difference in adjectives JMO

(thank you for finding)

Someone (??) asked who other than RL has lied to LE...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/search-warrant-served-in-case-of-slain-delphi-indiana-girls/

State police Sgt. Kim Riley tells WLFI-TV some people questioned by investigators haven’t been truthful because they have criminal records. That’s forced police to devote time to clearing them as potential suspects in the killings.

JMO

ETA for the record: RL is not responsible for the deaths of Abby and Libby, IMO
 
Someone asked in the other thread about the search or commented on it being related to probation violation. The police PIO, Slocum, said it was related to the murders in an effort to clear or focus more attention on RL based on information developed in the investigation, paraphrase.
 
Any news about the case? please

There's nothing new. Abby's mom gave an emotional speech over the weekend to thank supporters and LE. But there isn't any news about the case. All is quiet on Twitter.
 
I was wondering if the man on the bridge in the photo is smoking a cigarette?
 
I was wondering if the man on the bridge in the photo is smoking a cigarette?

Welcome to Websleuths!

:welcome:

Some posters have speculated that the perp is either smoking a cigarette or vaping. I can't see it, but I don't see most things others do in pictures. It's a possibility.
 
I thought it looked a bit like smoke coming out of his mouth. I also thought it kinda loooked like he was holding it in his hand. It looks like between his thumb and forefinger.
 
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