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    Unhappy TSA Patdown of Child: Too Far?

    This kid with a sensory disorder was extensively patted down after he inadvertently left his laptop in its bag to go through the scanner. His mother is outraged. They missed their flight. What do you all think?

    Was this patdown necessary? What are those full body scanners for? What could the kid be hiding under the clothes he was wearing? What do you all think of the mother's response?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tsa-pat-...inkId=35921700
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    Way, way, way too far, IMO. I would have been infuriated if that ever happened to one of my kids! Have we entirely lost the ability to be logical? Does common sense ever prevail?

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    TSA Patdown of Child: Too Far?

    Two minutes?! He was wearing shorts and a t-shirt! I was uncomfortable watching. Yes, too far. Unnecessary. Ridiculous.

    The agent using "the backs of his hands" near the boy's genitals was disturbing.

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    I think the mom over reacted and that's the reason they missed the flight. There are rules to follow for everyone's safety when you are flying. If the child is not capable of following directions then the mother should have removed the laptop from the backpack.

    I think the TSA agent was doing his job and under the supervision and scrutiny of his supervisor. It seems they have adopted a one procedure search for everyone and likely due to complaints about how different people are searched.

    Should a child never be searched? I would disagree with this. Maybe a different search technique should be used on children under a certain age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesneakers View Post
    Two minutes?! He was wearing shorts and a t-shirt! I was uncomfortable watching. Yes, too far. Unnecessary. Ridiculous.

    The agent using "the backs of his hands" near the boy's genitals was disturbing.
    I was also very uncomfortable watching and thought perhaps they should have had a female do it but, no, that would have been just as bad! They shouldn't have done it at all. How often does this go on that we don't hear about? FGS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy1 View Post
    I was also very uncomfortable watching and thought perhaps they should have had a female do it but, no, that would have been just as bad! They shouldn't have done it at all. How often does this go on that we don't hear about? FGS!
    I would guess it happens everyday and we never hear about it because the parents don't over react.

    This is just another case of a parent behaving badly that ends up being more traumatic for the child than the actual incident. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy1 View Post
    I was also very uncomfortable watching and thought perhaps they should have had a female do it but, no, that would have been just as bad! They shouldn't have done it at all. How often does this go on that we don't hear about? FGS!
    The one agent seemed a bit unsure but the other seemed to reassure him so I think it happens all the time.

    I've seen videos of adults being put through this (and worse - embarrassing, ridiculous, offensive, not keeping anyone safe) but a kid? Imagine any other adult touching him like that. Ugh. He's never going to want to fly again.

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    This would be frightening for any child, but especially for a child with a sensory disorder. TSA have (I assume they still have) wands they can use instead of hands and the wand does not have to touch skin.

    The pat down sounds creepy, too. Parents and teachers teach children to recognize when someone is touching them inappropriately and then in a situation like this it is supposed to be acceptable? How confusing to a child!

    I understand the mother being angry. She may have overreacted, but as a mother she was naturally defensive of her child. I'm sure the TSA agent was just following procedures, but they need to use their own judgment sometimes.

    I think it's ridiculous how we've become a such an automated society--not just for efficiency any more, but for fear of terrorism. I understand wanting to be prepared and protecting the innocent, but it goes overboard when the innocent--who are supposed to be protected--are victimized by those who are supposed to protect.

    Terrorists will always find a way to circumvent the system in place, so airport staff just need to be alert and recognize (true) potential threats. TSA agents may mechanically follow the rules without regard to common sense, too, because they don't want to be accused of not being PC. JMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Anna View Post
    This would be frightening for any child, but especially for a child with a sensory disorder. TSA have (I assume they still have) wands they can use instead of hands and the wand does not have to touch skin.

    The pat down sounds creepy, too. Parents and teachers teach children to recognize when someone is touching them inappropriately and then in a situation like this it is supposed to be acceptable? How confusing to a child!
    Yes - I would think this would be very conufsing to any child.

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Anna View Post
    I understand the mother being angry. She may have overreacted, but as a mother she was naturally defensive of her child. I'm sure the TSA agent was just following procedures, but they need to use their own judgment sometimes.

    I think it's ridiculous how we've become a such an automated society--not just for efficiency any more, but for fear of terrorism. I understand wanting to be prepared and protecting the innocent, but it goes overboard when the innocent--who are supposed to be protected--are victimized by those who are supposed to protect.

    Terrorists will always find a way to circumvent the system in place, so airport staff just need to be alert and recognize (true) potential threats. TSA agents may mechanically follow the rules without regard to common sense, too, because they don't want to be accused of not being PC. JMO
    IMO, this is more dangerous than a young child. This is how complacency, ineffectiveness and weakness begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitana1 View Post
    This kid with a sensory disorder was extensively patted down after he inadvertently left his laptop in its bag to go through the scanner. His mother is outraged. They missed their flight. What do you all think?
    Was this patdown necessary? What are those full body scanners for? What could the kid be hiding under the clothes he was wearing? What do you all think of the mother's response?
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tsa-pat-...inkId=35921700
    gitana1 - Thx for opening thread on this.

    Per vid & text, his laptop was not removed from bag before it was scanned. Removal is required, but they did not do it. Red flag for TSA? His mother said, he asked me what did I do wrong. IDK whether mother or son should have removed it, but one of the two could have & should have removed it and submitted it for scanning. If not, why not? Red flag?

    Hiding something under shorts & tee-shirt? IDK, just tried wiki to get a sense of size/volume for explosives. Not helpful (or I did not search thoroughly) but remember 'underwear bomber' and 'shoe bomber'? Danger can come in small sizes.

    Missed the flight
    ? Any MSM report,other than mother's stmts, re whether they arrived at gate at recommended time pre-flight? IDK. If mother says, TSA made us miss flight, is it true? IDK. Vid also says (my paraphrasing) TSA had to do further checks on 3 (electronic?) items they wanted to carry on. TSA exam of electronics has been in place for many yrs, even before this boy was born. Did elec checks surprise mother?

    That said, until 9-11, I flew frequently on business. No joy even then, glad I no longer do. Flying on biz can be stressful for adults,and even worse for ppl flying w children, let alone children w sensory disorders.

    Sympathy for fliers, TSA, and everyone in airline-travel in any capacity. JM2cts.
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    We were talking on another thread how vehicle windows can be tinted differently than the average person's can for those with sensory issues if a doctor "prescribes" it. They also said if you get pulled over, you show the officer the Rx and that is sufficient. I wonder if we need something like this for people with sensory issues that fly. Does this make sense? I am going on little sleep.
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    How about this...TSA made my 9 year old daughter submit to a GSR test before they would let us broad in Pensacola. Why u ask? Because she was wearing a Pink brand t-shirt that made metallic reading on it.


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    I always ask for the patdown because I am not going to expose myself to more rays. It has been no big deal.

    There are signs everywhere of what you are supposed to do. It is no surprise. Some people think they are special. We flew internationally right after 9-11. We were in a line that was blocks outside of LAX. Someone came with a sign for our flight as we would have missed it.

    They have become way more efficient. Learn the rules or sign up for the precheck option which is only $80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy Anna View Post
    .... Parents and teachers teach children to recognize when someone is touching them inappropriately and then in a situation like this it is supposed to be acceptable? How confusing to a child! ...
    Terrorists will always find a way to circumvent the system in place,...
    sbm bbm

    bbm #1.
    Yes, parents should teach children re inapprop touching, but seems should also teach about exceptions, esp when parent is right there.

    bbm #2
    And yes, totally agree: terrorists, will find a crack in the system to exploit.

    I wish there were better methods to help assure air travel security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    I always ask for the patdown because I am not going to expose myself to more rays. It has been no big deal.

    There are signs everywhere of what you are supposed to do. It is no surprise. Some people think they are special. We flew internationally right after 9-11. We were in a line that was blocks outside of LAX. Someone came with a sign for our flight as we would have missed it.

    They have become way more efficient. Learn the rules or sign up for the precheck option which is only $80.
    bbm

    I bet all the terrorists do exactly that.


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