MI - 1 child dead after 6 found unconscious - carbon-monoxide at hotel pool

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One child is dead and at least five other children are hospitalized for apparent carbon-monoxide poisoning after they were found unconscious in the indoor-pool area of a Michigan hotel on Saturday.


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Wise said it's unclear how long the children, who range in age from about 10 to 14, were unconscious before they were found.

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Wise said the highest carbon monoxide reading he saw in the pool area was 800 parts per million, far above the 50 ppm maximum that the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration recommends for workplace exposure eight hours per day, five days per week for a normal, healthy adult.


"That’s an extreme danger level," the fire captain told reporters. "At those levels, they don’t have much time before they're going to go unresponsive."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/children-u...de-poisoning-michigan-hotel/story?id=46513328
 
One child has died and about a dozen other people have been sickened following a possible carbon monoxide leak at a southwestern Michigan hote

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“Six of them were inside the pool area unresponsive,” Wise said. “The other ones were not unresponsive, but they were outside of the pool area.”

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/04...arent-carbon-monoxide-leak-in-michigan-hotel/

The child died en route to the hospital, while the other children were expected to make a full recovery, a spokesperson for the Lakeland Health Hospital in Niles told NBC News. They range from ages 10 to 14.


Two hotel workers at the Quality Inn and Suites in Niles, along with two Berrien County officers, one Nile city police officer and another adult were also treated for exposure to the poisonous gas. Their conditions were not immediately known.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...d-michigan-hotel-carbon-monoxide-leak-n741586
 
'When we first went in with our [air] monitors, the monitors went off,' Wise said, according to ABC News. 'All the responders took a little bit more risk, but we had to get those kids out of there and into fresh air for their best chance at survival.'

The outlet reports that carbon monoxide levels were 16 times the safe limit.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-carbon-monoxide-poisoning.html#ixzz4d1vVR4OH


Thank you to the first responders who risk themselves every day for the public.
 
This is awful could it have been caused by the chlorine in the pool?
 
Thirteen people were treated at local hospitals, including hotel staff members and first responders who helped unconscious victims, according to police in Niles, Michigan, a town of about 11,000 just north of the state's border with Indiana.

A spokeswoman for Lakeland Hospital in Niles told CNN that one person was "confirmed dead on arrival."


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/01/us/michigan-carbon-monoxide-poisoning/index.html

 
Oh no a fun day at the pool and this happens. My husband builds custom in ground swimming pools so I'm going to ask him what could have caused this. It was only a few years ago the industry changed the standards of the drains and wiring after a few had been electrocuted and even drowned due to to much sucking pressure on the drains in the bottoms. Unfortunately it takes something like this happening to make them bring the standards up.
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Anyone else remember this --- in 2013, deaths of 70+ y/o couple in Best Western Hotel room in Boone, N.C., w CoD undetermined, (at least initially) then several weeks later, death of 11 y/o boy in same hotel room, w his mother in room found sick? [video=cnn;crime/2013/06/10/dnt-nr-nc-mysterious-hotel-deaths.wcnc]http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/11/us/north-carolina-hotel-deaths/index.html[/video] (June 11, 2013)
Later determination, CoD = carbon monoxide poisoning for all 3. I forgot what caused CO2 in NC (see ETA).


Sad, sad, sad, for all ^ and those in MI hotel pool today.
RIP little one. Prayers & thoughts for family, friends, & community. Wishing speedy recovery to others.

ETA: follow up Jan 2014
"Odorless, colorless and lethal gas came from a faulty exhaust pipe in the pool heater that was propped up with a VHS tape and ice bucket."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rly-claimed-life-gives-interview-tragedy.html
 
gregjrichards said:
This is awful could it have been caused by the chlorine in the pool?
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Chlorine? IDTS.
For hotel pool area, a possible source of CO2: gas water heater?
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"Carbon monoxide (CO) is a colorless, odorless, and toxic gas, which is predominately produced by incomplete combustion of carbon-containing materials. Incomplete combustion occurs when insufficient oxygen is used in the fuel (hydrocarbon) burning process. Consequently, more carbon monoxide, in preference to carbon dioxide, is emitted. Some examples of this are the following: vehicle exhausts, fuel burning furnaces, coal burning power plants, small gasoline engines, portable gasoline-powered generators, power washers, fire places, charcoal grills, marine engines, forklifts, propane-powered heaters, gas water heaters, and kerosene heaters." bbm. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/co-comp/


I wonder if there was construction work inside hotel, w equipment like mentioned below. But seems CO2 would have affected construction workers actually using the equipment before affecting poolside loungers.
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https://www.osha.gov/Publications/3282-10N-05-English-07-18-2007.html
"Some Sources of Exposure
  • Portable generators/generators in buildings.
  • Concrete cutting saws, compressors.
  • Power trowels, floor buffers, space heaters.
  • Welding, gasoline powered pumps."


Med Symptoms?
"Exposure to carbon monoxide impedes the blood's ability to carry oxygen to body tissues and vital organs. When carbon monoxide is inhaled, it combines with hemoglobin (an iron-protein component of red blood cells), producing carboxyhemoglobin (COHb), which greatly diminishes hemoglobin's oxygen-carrying capacity. Hemoglobin's binding affinity for carbon monoxide is 300 times greater than its affinity for oxygen. As a result, small amounts of carbon monoxide can dramatically reduce hemoglobin's ability to transport oxygen. Common symptoms of carbon monoxide exposure are headache, nausea, rapid breathing, weakness, exhaustion, dizziness, and confusion. Hypoxia (severe oxygen deficiency) due to acute carbon monoxide poisoning may result in reversible neurological effects, or it may result in long-term (and possibly delayed) irreversible neurological (brain damage) or cardiological (heart damage) effects."
bbm https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/co-comp/
 
mahoolin said:
http://www.wvgazettemail.com/News/201201310070
Death caused by leaking swimming pool heater in the case linked above.
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mahoolin. Thanks for link to other case of CO death in W Va hotel in Jan 2012. Others at hotel were taken to hosp too.

From link:
"Between 1989 and 2004, there were 68 incidents of CO poisoning in US hotels, motels and resorts. Of those poisoned, 27 died, according to the study." bbm

On reading about NC CO deaths in 2013, I initially thought it was waaaaaay out there, one of a kind. Obviously not, sadly.
 
RIP Bryan. Condolences to Bryan's family and friends. :rose:
 
Just heard/saw local news report (sorry no link) saying - one of the kids in Niles MI hotel, taken to hosp for CO treatment, was in a hotel room, not the pool area.

Like some of the other cases in other hotels in other cities linked here. CO was not confined to small area w'in hotel.
 
MzOpinion8d said:
Why were there that many children unsupervised at a pool?
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Unsupervised? Possible. Was there a parent or other adult supervising who also suffered from CO, became unconscious?
If kids just laid on loungers, is it poss parent mistook that for snoozing or being tired?


Here are some numbers from April 2 MSM.* 5 children 12-14 y/o plus 13 y/o deceased boy. Plus another child, age unknown.

Ages are so close, seems imo unlikely to be from one nuclear fam (unless twins or triplets, or w some step-sibs, half-sibs).




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* "....Ateenage boy died and 14 other people were hospitalized ... were found unconscious around an indoor pool.
.... five children found unconscious alongside Watts ... hotel pool. Their ages range from 12 to 14 years old, Niles police said.Another child, who police said had just left the pool area, was found unresponsive in a first-floor room.
Five first responders were also treated and released.". bbm sbm
[video=cnn;us/2017/04/01/michigan-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-vstop-ewoh-orig.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/01/us/michigan-carbon-monoxide-poisoning/index.html[/video] Ap 2
 
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