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    MA - Aaron Hernandez, New England Patriots player, charged with homicides #6

    Aaron Hernandez Double Murder Trial to Begin in December
    BOSTON — Jun 4, 2015, 4:46 PM ET
    http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...trial-31516786
    Jury selection for the double murder trial of former New England Patriots player Aaron Hernandez will be tentatively scheduled for Dec. 1, a judge said Thursday.

    Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Locke also set a date of Jan. 4 for the trial to begin in earnest. Hernandez was not present in court Thursday.
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    MA - Aaron Hernandez, New England Patriots player, charged with homicides #6

    Prosecution Presents Final Witness In Aaron Hernandez Double Murder Trial
    March 31, 2017

    BOSTON (CBS) – The prosecution presented their final witness in the double murder trial of former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez. They plan to rest their case on Monday.

    Sixty-four witnesses with a month’s worth of testimony and evidence to go with it was all capped off by the toughest yet, the medical examiner. Those in the family section clutched hands as Dr. Katherine Lindstrom explained one of the victims may have felt pain in his last moments of life.

    Most of Aaron Hernandez’s relatives had left by this point, where earlier one of them flashed his former #81 Patriots jersey. It was the first time his family showed up since the trial began.

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    THANKS, ColdPizza, for the new thread!!!

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    To BUF, THANK YOU for that Odin Lloyd Timeline link you added to the previous thread.

    As a matter of fact I did not follow that trial as closely as this TRIAL so on Friday evening I started back to watching the entire OL trial online!!!

    (From the online trial link, I had no idea a young 15yo found OL's body and from your Timeline, OL was shot TEN times.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldpizza View Post
    Prosecution Presents Final Witness In Aaron Hernandez Double Murder Trial
    March 31, 2017

    BOSTON (CBS) – The prosecution presented their final witness in the double murder trial of former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez. They plan to rest their case on Monday.

    Sixty-four witnesses with a month’s worth of testimony and evidence to go with it was all capped off by the toughest yet, the medical examiner. Those in the family section clutched hands as Dr. Katherine Lindstrom explained one of the victims may have felt pain in his last moments of life.

    Most of Aaron Hernandez’s relatives had left by this point, where earlier one of them flashed his former #81 Patriots jersey. It was the first time his family showed up since the trial began.
    Not sure why his family would flash his jersey? Seems silly and makes the point that AH is an idiot for giving that life up by living the gang life.

    And they never showed up except that once, where they stayed half of the day? Again, kind of silly and pointless if you are trying to act like you are supporting him.
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    Alexander Bradley, who prosecutors say was shot in the face by the ex-NFL player.

    Robert Lindsey, who was testifying against his will, said Bradley called him after the shooting in Florida and told him “’This (expletive) (expletive) (expletive) Aaron’ shot him.”


    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/03/3...ion-testimony/


    [I thought that was good for the CW that they got the statement to AB's cousin that it was AH who shot him, That was made right after the shooting. ]

    Boston Police Detective Paul MacIsaac was next on the stand, testifying about the ensuing investigation into the July 2012 murders of Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado in Boston’s South End.

    About one year after the murders, police executed a search warrant and found the Toyota 4-Runner that Hernandez was riding in.
    MacIsaac said the vehicle had cobwebs on it when police located it.


    [Finding the car hidden in the garage, with cobwebs on it, was important too. Who stashes a perfectly good free car away, when he had a large family, with little money. ]

    [ And their testimony that they put it in there so people didn't know when AH was visiting made no sense= obvious lie.]

    I think the CW had an OK final day. They wrapped up a few loose ends. Brought the focus back to the Boston shootings. The DT put up LKB the attack dog. And she was very aggressive. But it was not about anything that denied AH was the shooter. It was about whether they died within seconds or minutes. So not that much of an issue in the end. She also pointed out a measurement error in one of the wounds. Again, not that big of a deal in the end. The ME was pretty calm,cool collected through the assault.

    A lot of this will depend upon the defense case and whether Baez is able to show some 'credible' reasonable doubt. Just because one victim had some THC in his system, does not mean he had made a bad drug deal with AB in the club. Baez will need more than that.

    Baez will have to dirty up the dead victims to make that argument. And that is a risky thing to do. Their families have been there everyday, seeing horrible photos, crying, grieving. They seem like pretty sympathetic characters.
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    I still haven't quite figured out what further punishment could be handed out to AH if he's found guilty in this trial. He's already serving LWOP for the murder of OL. Is this trial a matter of justice for the families--- getting a conviction of the person who killed their loved ones? The defense isn't 'fighting for his life' as Drama Queen Baez stated in his outburst as AH's life is already over with the previous sentence of LWOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaraKitty View Post
    To BUF, THANK YOU for that Odin Lloyd Timeline link you added to the previous thread.

    As a matter of fact I did not follow that trial as closely as this TRIAL so on Friday evening I started back to watching the entire OL trial online!!!

    (From the online trial link, I had no idea a young 15yo found OL's body and from your Timeline, OL was shot TEN times.)
    Oh my karakitty, you must really be on AH overload by now!

    (I think OD was shot six times, which is quite an overkill. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...rder_in_k.html)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco View Post
    I still haven't quite figured out what further punishment could be handed out to AH if he's found guilty in this trial. He's already serving LWOP for the murder of OL. Is this trial a matter of justice for the families--- getting a conviction of the person who killed their loved ones? The defense isn't 'fighting for his life' as Drama Queen Baez stated in his outburst as AH's life is already over with the previous sentence of LWOP.
    The verdict doesn’t matter much — except to the families of the dead — because Hernandez is already doing a life-long jolt for murdering another man in 2013.

    ^^^ This. These families have waited nearly five years for justice to be served. Hope they get it. I too really hope that these murdered young men don't get re-victimized again by the defense with any false accusations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
    Too many discrepancies in the Common Wealth case. ME confirms on cross her notes were incorrect. Detectives not following through on case. Stuff that should been addressed by the CW prior to going to court. I look forward to the Def and Closing. Did not realize (duh moment) that there were threads here for this one
    orig katydid23 03-31-2017, 05:21 PM#1048 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/mem...3633-katydid23
    The discrepancies were very tiny. Seconds vs minutes in time of death from the bullets. It is just a guess anyway.The ME cannot know for sure.

    And the other so called discrepancy was a measurement of a wound. But it has no real bearing on this case. It does not change who was shooting and who wasn't/

    The detectives followed through just fine. The defense is just trying to make up 'important' things the state never looked into. There is always going to be other things that could have been investigated. You don't have time nor resources to do it all
    RBBM, from last thread.Def is certainly going to bring about a defense. For a refresher here is Cross of the ME by LKB starting at 27:25 mark Day 21 Part 5


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    Remainder of Cross, as well as ReDirect and ReCross. Day 21 Part 6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco View Post
    I still haven't quite figured out what further punishment could be handed out to AH if he's found guilty in this trial. He's already serving LWOP for the murder of OL. Is this trial a matter of justice for the families--- getting a conviction of the person who killed their loved ones? The defense isn't 'fighting for his life' as Drama Queen Baez stated in his outburst as AH's life is already over with the previous sentence of LWOP.
    I think it is insurance. AH is appealing the prior conviction. If that appeal is successful, it would be nice if this one kicked in.
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    Day 21 Part 5 Cross My notes:
    ME office called 7/16/12 3:14 am, removed from crime scene (if I understood correctly) 1:48 p.m. or arrived at the Cororners office at 1:48 pm

    LKB when first seen bodies where they wrapped in white sheets
    ME: not that I recall, sheets could have been in body bags.
    ME has only seen photos from crime scene.

    Re time onset of injury til death. In ME notes and Death Certificate for both Daniel deAbreu and Safiro Furtado : SECONDS.
    No amended reports or amended DC

    LBK asks when did ME change from seconds to seconds to minutes. Never changed documents. Said when met with Pros they asked how long think deAbreu lived,said she believes may have said seconds poss minutes When did she first realize the Pros need pain and suffering for de Abreu? OBJ, Over Ruled
    Document from Pros (CW) stated that you would testify to minutes. OBJ Side Bar
    Many objections by the CW and were overruled by judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
    Day 21 Part 5 Cross My notes:
    ME office called 7/16/12 3:14 am, removed from crime scene (if I understood correctly) 1:48 p.m. or arrived at the Cororners office at 1:48 pm

    LKB when first seen bodies where they wrapped in white sheets
    ME: not that I recall, sheets could have been in body bags.
    ME has only seen photos from crime scene.

    Re time onset of injury til death. In ME notes and Death Certificate for both Daniel deAbreu and Safiro Furtado : SECONDS.
    No amended reports or amended DC

    LBK asks when did ME change from seconds to seconds to minutes. Never changed documents. Said when met with Pros they asked how long think deAbreu lived,said she believes may have said seconds poss minutes When did she first realize the Pros need pain and suffering for de Abreu? OBJ, Over Ruled
    Document from Pros (CW) stated that you would testify to minutes. OBJ Side Bar
    Many objections by the CW and were overruled by judge.
    None of this denies that AH was the shooter.

    It only goes to the sentencing. More time is given if there was pain and suffering.

    But it does nothing to show that AH is not the shooter.
    “Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn

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    Day 21 Part 6
    Measurements de Abreau in ME Autopsy report July 17, 2012 **she came to Boston Mass job in 2011 Board Certified year prior to autopsies**
    exhibit #371
    A: 13 1/2 inches right side from top of head
    B: 14 1/2 inches from top of head
    C:12 3/4 inches from top of head
    D: 15 (or 15 1/2 inch heard both) from top of head

    Currently believes the measurements are incorrect. Did not refer back to XRays to make this determination, just by looking at photos. Did not make any Amended notes or Amend any documents as to the measurements being off.

    LKB asked about "puckering" of skin above the dowel. ME says cant tell

    Met with DA in Jan 2017 to prepare for what would testify to at trial. Pros stated in their documents to Def/Court that ME would testify to seconds to minutes ME did not authorize the DA to state that (CW obj and Judge Locke overruled)

    ME noted on autopsy report term that means they were wrinkly -palms of hands and bottom of feet wet like been wet. ME testifies she thinks it was raining that night LKB says you think it was raining that night? ME yes but do not know for sure and LKB asks did she check on that, ME no I did not. **From video I have seen played it does not appear to have been raining to me**

    LBK when first time learned would be involved in testifying in AH case
    ME not sure
    LKB at time completed autopsies not aware of AH
    ME correct

    ME did not change opinion on wound tract, no doc that reflects measurements did not review xrays.

    **LKB keeps asking about referring back to xrays. So I feel sure the Def expert will have done that**

    ME too photo of body with dowels in anatomically correct position. laying flat, arms to side palms up.
    LKB Possibly had arm up at time of shooting?
    ME can't answer

    Furtado arm dowel Def exhibit #376 Left is comp generated completed to help pros Right is actual black and white photo
    LKB asked about the skin pulled up by dowel in Right photo. *asked prior but ME wasnt sure what speaking of now recognizes photo.
    LKB ask about trajectory analysis change
    ME not sure how to answer

    ME's CV has no Forensic Pathology Publications,

    Started autopsy of Furtato at 10:25 a.m. and at 10:50 a.m. started de Abreu no end time listed for either autopsy.

    LKB asked about with tank tshirt and outer shirt with holes in back. ME believes they line up with exit wound. **jmho this will come into play for Def on measurements.

    Wounds abrasion collar directional was not done
    Did do angulation no nor was asked to.

    an·gu·la·tion (ăng′gyə-lā′shən)
    n.
    1. The formation of angles.
    2. An angular part, position, or formation.

    angulation (ˌćŋɡjʊˈleɪʃən)
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    1. an angular formation
    2. (Surveying) the precise measurement of angles
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/angulation

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