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    Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #14

    And the first in line is moi!
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    Next Ted in the Bed!

    As for JCs car, winter surf conditions are rough here, especially during bad weather. It is not inconceivable that the damage to the car occurred in the surf.

    MOO: I have often thought the dumping of JCs car seemed a bit excessive - like something out of a Hollywood movie. Given that our current alleged CSK would have been 20 at the time, this disposal kind of fits the young, movie-going mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunnie View Post
    Next Ted in the Bed!

    As for JCs car, winter surf conditions are rough here, especially during bad weather. It is not inconceivable that the damage to the car occurred in the surf.

    MOO: I have often thought the dumping of JCs car seemed a bit excessive - like something out of a Hollywood movie. Given that our current alleged CSK would have been 20 at the time, this disposal kind of fits the young, movie-going mindset.
    Maybe it was a greater risk to the perp to of left the car at the crime scene or abduction scene for some reason than to dump it at the beach

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    Yes agreed. Overkill destroying JC's car in ocean off Cottesloe Beach.
    Not sure why perpetrator didn't just dispose of the car by driving it to Gnangara Pines and setting it alight. Gnangara Pine Plantation was well known as a graveyard for unwanted cars or dodgy insurance jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooks-R-Us View Post
    Yes agreed. Overkill destroying JC's car in ocean off Cottesloe Beach.
    Not sure why perpetrator didn't just dispose of the car by driving it to Gnangara Pines and setting it alight. Gnangara Pine Plantation was well known as a graveyard for unwanted cars or dodgy insurance jobs.
    Agreed. That's what leads me to believe it was a young and inexperienced perpetrator. One who panicked after the crime and copied something he saw in a film.

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    Heres some info regarding the ocean weather conditions after julies disappearance on 20-6-88 . I wanted to find out how big the seas were on the 20, 21 & 22nd to evaluate how the car might have got in then out of the ocean . Also how it possibly wasnt noticed for a while , guessing the water wasnt clear or favorable for anyone to notice. I tried to find a tide chart but was unable to but did notice the moon phase that indicated big / spring tides were a possibility .
    These are the posts i made previously on an older forum pasting here .
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    Julie C disappearance
    20/6/88.
    Temperature maximum at Subiaco: celcius
    15th- 21.5 ,
    16th - 20.5,
    17th - 20.5 ,
    18th -19.5 ,
    19th - 19.5 ,
    20th - 18 ,
    21st - 20.1 ,
    22nd - 22.8 ,
    23rd - 24
    24th - 25 .

    Temperature minimum at Subiaco
    15th- 15,
    16th - 15.5 ,
    17th - 16.5 ,
    18th - 14 ,
    19th - 13.5 ,
    20th - 8 ,
    21st - 10 ,
    22nd - 8.6 .
    * coldest on 20th & 22nd june .
    (Is there any chance the car was dumped the next night after jc last seen , night of 21st ?)


    See the water on the sand behind car indicates wave action .
    "He who waits" australian story documentary link for car
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...php?p=12572876

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    21-6-1988 22-6-1988
    So far this is all I have found about the conditions for cottesloe beach 17-22 june 1988 . still needing the 17-20th to attain knowledge of the swell & wave size. ( I believe that the swell/waves may have been big on the 19th & 20th june without substantial proof atm.)
    These 2 maps (21 & 22) show northerly winds & clear skies , the northerly winds may have affected the sea state & driven the leeuwin current (which normally flows southward in june). A huge high pressure cell dominates the state.
    I think the weather was very nice the previous day 20/6 .

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    Safe to say that the 20th was remarkably fine and clear with offshore winds going by the synoptic charts . ( I asked a qualified weather forecaster to see the maps posted )

    Moon phase 20/6/88 : age 7days waxing crescent , 33% visible

    Source: ( bom chart) its a 100 page pdf I cant link yet but have tried its too big .

    https://www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/1988/june
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    The Cutler case is a very strange one. The lack of photos of the car in the water that day is also odd-cant be an every day thing for a car to be out in the water like that on Cottesloe beach.
    I don't know what to make of it really as there isn't a huge amount of information to be found .
    I do not believe whoever dumped the car wanted it found. I think whoever dumped it may have had knowledge of the sea and the tides and expected the car to be washed out to sea when it was dumped. The front windows were wound down to help with this process. The back seat coming out is also very odd considering those doors and windows were closed.
    CSK may well have been responsible for this.
    May not have went how expected so he changed MO again.
    JC could have been ambushed in the parking lot . The passenger side door was already unlocked as she had to open the drivers side from there as it didn't unlock from what I have read.
    I'm thinking whoever dumped the car had to have lived near Cottesloe or had their own car parked nearby to drive themselves out of the area.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunnie View Post
    Agreed. That's what leads me to believe it was a young and inexperienced perpetrator. One who panicked after the crime and copied something he saw in a film.
    That's an interesting idea, Bunnie. I get needing to move the car for whatever reason but manoeuvring it into the surf is not the first indicated way of doing that. It's unnecessarily elaborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meticulously View Post
    Heres some info regarding the ocean weather conditions after julies disappearance on 20-6-88 . I wanted to find out how big the seas were on the 20, 21 & 22nd to evaluate how the car might have got in then out of the ocean . Also how it possibly wasnt noticed for a while , guessing the water wasnt clear or favorable for anyone to notice. I tried to find a tide chart but was unable to but did notice the moon phase that indicated big / spring tides were a possibility .
    These are the posts i made previously on an older forum pasting here .
    Quote:
    Julie C disappearance
    20/6/88.
    Temperature maximum at Subiaco: celcius
    15th- 21.5 ,
    16th - 20.5,
    17th - 20.5 ,
    18th -19.5 ,
    19th - 19.5 ,
    20th - 18 ,
    21st - 20.1 ,
    22nd - 22.8 ,
    23rd - 24
    24th - 25 .

    Temperature minimum at Subiaco
    15th- 15,
    16th - 15.5 ,
    17th - 16.5 ,
    18th - 14 ,
    19th - 13.5 ,
    20th - 8 ,
    21st - 10 ,
    22nd - 8.6 .
    * coldest on 20th & 22nd june .
    (Is there any chance the car was dumped the next night after jc last seen , night of 21st ?)


    See the water on the sand behind car indicates wave action .
    "He who waits" australian story documentary link for car
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...php?p=12572876

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    21-6-1988 22-6-1988
    So far this is all I have found about the conditions for cottesloe beach 17-22 june 1988 . still needing the 17-20th to attain knowledge of the swell & wave size. ( I believe that the swell/waves may have been big on the 19th & 20th june without substantial proof atm.)
    These 2 maps (21 & 22) show northerly winds & clear skies , the northerly winds may have affected the sea state & driven the leeuwin current (which normally flows southward in june). A huge high pressure cell dominates the state.
    I think the weather was very nice the previous day 20/6 .

    Quote post #3.
    Safe to say that the 20th was remarkably fine and clear with offshore winds going by the synoptic charts . ( I asked a qualified weather forecaster to see the maps posted )

    Moon phase 20/6/88 : age 7days waxing crescent , 33% visible

    Source: ( bom chart) its a 100 page pdf I cant link yet but have tried its too big .

    https://www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/1988/june
    That's awesome, meticulously. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooks-R-Us View Post
    Yes agreed. Overkill destroying JC's car in ocean off Cottesloe Beach.
    Not sure why perpetrator didn't just dispose of the car by driving it to Gnangara Pines and setting it alight. Gnangara Pine Plantation was well known as a graveyard for unwanted cars or dodgy insurance jobs.
    Unless it was walking distance, back to his car (or work /home) that mattered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meticulously View Post
    Heres some info regarding the ocean weather conditions after julies disappearance on 20-6-88 . I wanted to find out how big the seas were on the 20, 21 & 22nd to evaluate how the car might have got in then out of the ocean . Also how it possibly wasnt noticed for a while , guessing the water wasnt clear or favorable for anyone to notice. I tried to find a tide chart but was unable to but did notice the moon phase that indicated big / spring tides were a possibility .
    These are the posts i made previously on an older forum pasting here .
    Quote:
    Julie C disappearance
    20/6/88.
    ...
    * coldest on 20th & 22nd june .
    (Is there any chance the car was dumped the next night after jc last seen , night of 21st ?)


    See the water on the sand behind car indicates wave action .
    "He who waits" australian story documentary link for car
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...php?p=12572876

    Quote post #2
    21-6-1988 22-6-1988
    So far this is all I have found about the conditions for cottesloe beach 17-22 june 1988 . still needing the 17-20th to attain knowledge of the swell & wave size. ( I believe that the swell/waves may have been big on the 19th & 20th june without substantial proof atm.)
    These 2 maps (21 & 22) show northerly winds & clear skies , the northerly winds may have affected the sea state & driven the leeuwin current (which normally flows southward in june). A huge high pressure cell dominates the state.
    I think the weather was very nice the previous day 20/6 .

    Quote post #3.
    Safe to say that the 20th was remarkably fine and clear with offshore winds going by the synoptic charts . ( I asked a qualified weather forecaster to see the maps posted )

    Moon phase 20/6/88 : age 7days waxing crescent , 33% visible

    Source: ( bom chart) its a 100 page pdf I cant link yet but have tried its too big .

    https://www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/1988/june
    Snipped.

    Met, this is an incredibly thorough analysis of the conditions during the time Julie disappeared. Can you translate the possible outcome a bit though?

    The tide would not have been so high as to come over the groyne and pull the car out, would it? Someone would have still had to have gotten it over the curb?

    Are you saying the waves/swell could have been big enough to hide it for a full day and a half?

    Or do you think it more likely that it was dumped on the evening of the 21st and the spotted on the 22nd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anna.w View Post
    That's an interesting idea, Bunnie. I get needing to move the car for whatever reason but manoeuvring it into the surf is not the first indicated way of doing that. It's unnecessarily elaborate.
    Unless, it's just a matter of "where to dispose of a car, within walking distance back to his car, home or work" I would assume then that a panicked perp might of dumped it off the boat ramp for 3. reasons. 1 make it look like a suicide, 2. Wash away evidence, 3. Be walking distance to his getaway. What's within walking distance and would be secluded at night?


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