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    Darin: Survivor's Guilt?????

    Found this in a Rick Hollingsworth article.......

    Darin did not deny that he failed the test but told me that he was manipulated by the examiner, who he said spent two hours upsetting him with "a million questions" about the murders before hooking him up to the polygraph. Darin also speculated that he was suffering from survivor's guilt, in which he envisioned himself at the scene trying to help the kids but was unable to reach them. (According to knowledgeable sources, Darlie too was given a lie detector test by one of her original court-appointed attorneys. The attorney refuses to comment on the results, which have never been made public.)

    Why am I having a hard time buying the surviror's guilt thing? This may be one of the first things to indicate that he just might have been involved in the crime itself.

    http://texasmoratorium.org/mod.php?...e_id=44&group=3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goody
    Found this in a Rick Hollingsworth article.......

    Darin did not deny that he failed the test but told me that he was manipulated by the examiner, who he said spent two hours upsetting him with "a million questions" about the murders before hooking him up to the polygraph. Darin also speculated that he was suffering from survivor's guilt, in which he envisioned himself at the scene trying to help the kids but was unable to reach them. (According to knowledgeable sources, Darlie too was given a lie detector test by one of her original court-appointed attorneys. The attorney refuses to comment on the results, which have never been made public.)

    Why am I having a hard time buying the surviror's guilt thing? This may be one of the first things to indicate that he just might have been involved in the crime itself.
    I posted a link about this failed test a while ago. I don't remember which thread it was on though. I don't buy it either. He is guilty up to his coke bottle glasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deandaniellws
    I posted a link about this failed test a while ago. I don't remember which thread it was on though. I don't buy it either. He is guilty up to his coke bottle glasses.
    This is the first time I have taken the time to go over this article. I thought it would be more slanted than it was, given that the writer is against the death penalty and writes for an activist site. I sure would like to see more statements like this from Darin or Darlie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goody
    Found this in a Rick Hollingsworth article.......

    Darin did not deny that he failed the test but told me that he was manipulated by the examiner, who he said spent two hours upsetting him with "a million questions" about the murders before hooking him up to the polygraph. Darin also speculated that he was suffering from survivor's guilt, in which he envisioned himself at the scene trying to help the kids but was unable to reach them. (According to knowledgeable sources, Darlie too was given a lie detector test by one of her original court-appointed attorneys. The attorney refuses to comment on the results, which have never been made public.)

    Why am I having a hard time buying the surviror's guilt thing? This may be one of the first things to indicate that he just might have been involved in the crime itself.

    http://texasmoratorium.org/mod.php?...e_id=44&group=3
    As you already know, I feel very strongly Darin was very much involved. This sounds like something he read to account for his failing the exam. Sort of like Darlie's TA. I do know that people who escape a tragedy alive feel guilt for living when their friends or family did not. You hear war vets say this, Titanic survivors, people who escaped the WTC and OKC attacks say it also, car accident victims(especially the driver). "Why did my friend die? We were standing right beside one another. Why did I live", that type of thing.
    IMO Darin decided claiming survivor's guilt would be a good excuse as to why he failed the polygraph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beesy
    As you already know, I feel very strongly Darin was very much involved. This sounds like something he read to account for his failing the exam. Sort of like Darlie's TA. I do know that people who escape a tragedy alive feel guilt for living when their friends or family did not. You hear war vets say this, Titanic survivors, people who escaped the WTC and OKC attacks say it also, car accident victims(especially the driver). "Why did my friend die? We were standing right beside one another. Why did I live", that type of thing.
    IMO Darin decided claiming survivor's guilt would be a good excuse as to why he failed the polygraph.
    Exactly. It would be understandable if he had failed one or two questions, but he failed ALL five critical questions. To call that survivor's guilt is stretching it some. I would sooner believe he was set up by Pardo to fail in an effort to get Darlie off death row or even out of prison altogether than that surivor's guilt made him break out in a sweat every time they ask him a question about what he knows. Sounds more like real guilt to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goody
    Exactly. It would be understandable if he had failed one or two questions, but he failed ALL five critical questions. To call that survivor's guilt is stretching it some. I would sooner believe he was set up by Pardo to fail in an effort to get Darlie off death row or even out of prison altogether than that surivor's guilt made him break out in a sweat every time they ask him a question about what he knows. Sounds more like real guilt to me.
    Oh yeah. Like his little dance...... I want to help her but not at the risk of losing my freedom. He wouldn't have even thought such a thing if he was innocent IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deandaniellws
    Oh yeah. Like his little dance...... I want to help her but not at the risk of losing my freedom. He wouldn't have even thought such a thing if he was innocent IMO.
    Well, now we know why Darlie keeps her mouth shut and why he ain't talking either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goody
    Well, now we know why Darlie keeps her mouth shut and why he ain't talking either.
    Hey, when her date gets near, and she sees she is NOT going to get an extention, I bet she starts screeming. By then, of course, it is still going to be too late. I want her to talk NOW so BOTH of them can get the needle. I know, I am greedy. I just think it will be a shame for him to get off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deandaniellws
    Hey, when her date gets near, and she sees she is NOT going to get an extention, I bet she starts screeming. By then, of course, it is still going to be too late. I want her to talk NOW so BOTH of them can get the needle. I know, I am greedy. I just think it will be a shame for him to get off.
    I agree. If he is guilty of any significant part of this, Darlie needs to talk and talk now....or maybe after this appeal is rejected. A new trial would be the most beneficial time for her talk, but if she doesn't get it, she needs to wake up and smell the roses. He is out footloose and fancy free while she is going to bite the big one, give up her life for a stupid, stupid deed that destroyed her family. If she doesn't talk, I would like to personally walk that green mile with her booting her in the ass for being so stupid!!! Anybody got a hobnailed boot I can borrow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goody
    I agree. If he is guilty of any significant part of this, Darlie needs to talk and talk now....or maybe after this appeal is rejected. A new trial would be the most beneficial time for her talk, but if she doesn't get it, she needs to wake up and smell the roses. He is out footloose and fancy free while she is going to bite the big one, give up her life for a stupid, stupid deed that destroyed her family. If she doesn't talk, I would like to personally walk that green mile with her booting her in the ass for being so stupid!!! Anybody got a hobnailed boot I can borrow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goody
    I agree. If he is guilty of any significant part of this, Darlie needs to talk and talk now....or maybe after this appeal is rejected. A new trial would be the most beneficial time for her talk, but if she doesn't get it, she needs to wake up and smell the roses. He is out footloose and fancy free while she is going to bite the big one, give up her life for a stupid, stupid deed that destroyed her family. If she doesn't talk, I would like to personally walk that green mile with her booting her in the ass for being so stupid!!! Anybody got a hobnailed boot I can borrow?
    I don't think she'll confess. What better way to go out? As a martyr for the DP? He might confess that she did it, managing to somehow "forget" the part where he helped her/covered for her. With her dead, he wouldn't have to worry about her tattling on him. He might crack more easily without Darlie squeezing his manhood anymore. Who knows though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beesy
    I don't think she'll confess. What better way to go out? As a mayrtr for the DP? He might confess that she did it, managing to somehow "forget" the part where he helped her/covered for her. With her dead, he wouldn't have to worry about her tattling on him. He might crack more easily without Darlie squeezing his manhood anymore. Who knows though?
    Darlie will never be a martyr for the death penalty. Her following is very small. Most people who look into her case believe she did it. Karla Faye Tucker...now she is a martry for the death penalty. Maybe Tookie Williams will be in coming years, too. Or maybe he will just be the controversial martyr forever debated. Whatever....the point is Darlie has contributed nothing to society, given us no reason at all to remember her very long.

    So she cross stitches a few baby blankets for a hospital. Anyone can do that. She hasn't reached out to help anyone and that is why she will never be viewed as a martyr. Her name will be swallowed up by time, and even most of us in years to come will have forgotten most of her case as we move on to others. Eventually she will be just another name on a blotter somewhere hidden in the death row archives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goody
    Darlie will never be a martyr for the death penalty. Her following is very small. Most people who look into her case believe she did it. Karla Faye Tucker...now she is a martry for the death penalty. Maybe Tookie Williams will be in coming years, too. Or maybe he will just be the controversial martyr forever debated. Whatever....the point is Darlie has contributed nothing to society, given us no reason at all to remember her very long.

    So she cross stitches a few baby blankets for a hospital. Anyone can do that. She hasn't reached out to help anyone and that is why she will never be viewed as a martyr. Her name will be swallowed up by time, and even most of us in years to come will have forgotten most of her case as we move on to others. Eventually she will be just another name on a blotter somewhere hidden in the death row archives.
    I don't think either one will ever confess; Darin might have if he had a chance to make some money off it with a movie deal which if I remember somewhere the judge said no way, never. I think maybe the family kinda knows what went on especially since they are so quiet now; but they will never tell either, never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justice2
    I don't think either one will ever confess; Darin might have if he had a chance to make some money off it with a movie deal which if I remember somewhere the judge said no way, never. I think maybe the family kinda knows what went on especially since they are so quiet now; but they will never tell either, never.
    I am not so sure what Darin and Darlie might do, but I am pretty sure family members will never talk about what they really do know. Too painful, too shameful. They probably want to forget it ever happened once Darlie is gone from this world or they have managed to save her.

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