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    The white that some believe is a plastic bag or rope I 100% believe it's a scarf with a skull face. My buddy has one that he wears at times when riding his Harley. Protecting your face from cold winds. They come in different sizes and can wear different ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightski View Post
    The white item that you think is rope, I see it definitely as goggles. If you go to the picture where it has him walking, you can see one part of the goggles and when he walks on the other leg, you can see all of the goggles. The one side is what some on here claimed to be a "question mark". IMO Don't know how to copy it, cause it doesn't work for me, but the picture of him walking is on Today, 1:31 pm Post # 861.
    bbm ... and now please look at his right hand in right brown pocket at the same time and you will see: when there is only half of the "goggles" be seen just then he is pulling something light coloured with his hand. Looks as if there is a connection between light coloured "goggles" and this light coloured thing he is pulling. IMO
    I believe the "thing" looks like the drawing below and is an unknown "tool". (The proportions aren't correct, sorry.)

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    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...Feb-2015/page3
    2/2015 Murdered woman (24) in Eustis/FL - "This wasn't your typical shooting or stabbing. You don't see things like this, especially in a smaller community like we have here…," Franquiz said.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...2017-70/page61
    2/2017 Murdered girls Abby and Libby in Delphi/IN - Police have not released how Abby and Libby died, but say the teens' immediate family members know the answer.

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    Awhile back I stuffed a white plastic bag in my jacket (first I sort of stretched the handles so I would replicate a well used bag). Then I pulled it through the top of my jacket a bit and took a selfie. It looked EXACTLY like the BG pic. I hate my face so I won't post it, but if anyone wanted to do an experiment with different things, I recommend it. Just be sure to stretch the handles or use an old bag. I would also try it with goggles, scarf and whatever else people think.

    Then be sure to post it here.😊

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    Brief comparison of Snapchat image from various sources

    Since there is no "official" source for the two Snapchat images captured by Liberty's phone, I created a comparison of a small region of the image showing Abigail. Hoping that people can find it useful when choosing which version of the image to work with.

    From what I've read, the original Snapchat images were screenshotted by someone who was on the distribution of the Snapchat and posted to Facebook by at least one person. The Facebook posts seem to be deleted, but the images live on in news articles.



    Personally I prefer source #3, but that is only my preference visually.


    1. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...old-girls.html
    2. http://elitedaily.com/news/girl-last...found/1792104/
    3. http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/libert...family-bridge/
    4. http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/15/two-gi...pchat-6450019/
    5. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-girls-9836853
    6. http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...2026d6e26a6f75


    My recommendation to researchers is this: If you see a very fine detail in the image, double-check or triple-check the same region of the image from another news source's version to ensure it is really there (and not simply a compression artifact).

    Curious if anyone has any of the original Facebook posted photos, and if they are better quality? I've spent more time than I care to admit looking for them without luck.
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    Theory about left hand side BG image

    I am increasingly convinced the blue region on the left hand side of ONE of the two officially released BG images is not an artifact, but something actually in the field of view of the phone's camera. In other words, I cannot find any reason the blue region would be any type of image artifact from compression or processing or display.

    However I can only speculate what the object might be.

    An example of such an object could be a person's sleeve or the backside of a loose-fitting and unzipped jacket or sweatshirt. I've included a figure showing an example region of the inside of Abigail's sweatshirt that is in the shadow of the sun making appear dark blue (as it should).

    There is nothing in the BG image providing evidence that it IS Abigail, so one can only speculate w/o proof IMO.



    The source for the Snapchat image is from the heavy.com article, and the source of the BG image is the Feb 15th alert from ISP.
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    I would like to see what you have or did I miss it in the thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael.gartley View Post
    Since there is no "official" source for the two Snapchat images captured by Liberty's phone, I created a comparison of a small region of the image showing Abigail. Hoping that people can find it useful when choosing which version of the image to work with.

    From what I've read, the original Snapchat images were screenshotted by someone who was on the distribution of the Snapchat and posted to Facebook by at least one person. The Facebook posts seem to be deleted, but the images live on in news articles.



    Personally I prefer source #3, but that is only my preference visually.


    1. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...old-girls.html
    2. http://elitedaily.com/news/girl-last...found/1792104/
    3. http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/libert...family-bridge/
    4. http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/15/two-gi...pchat-6450019/
    5. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-girls-9836853
    6. http://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...2026d6e26a6f75


    My recommendation to researchers is this: If you see a very fine detail in the image, double-check or triple-check the same region of the image from another news source's version to ensure it is really there (and not simply a compression artifact).

    Curious if anyone has any of the original Facebook posted photos, and if they are better quality? I've spent more time than I care to admit looking for them without luck.
    With paywall it's difficult to have enough sources.

    Btw: I choose pic #3 because of the shoes being very clear.
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...Feb-2015/page3
    2/2015 Murdered woman (24) in Eustis/FL - "This wasn't your typical shooting or stabbing. You don't see things like this, especially in a smaller community like we have here…," Franquiz said.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...2017-70/page61
    2/2017 Murdered girls Abby and Libby in Delphi/IN - Police have not released how Abby and Libby died, but say the teens' immediate family members know the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FromGermany View Post
    With paywall it's difficult to have enough sources.

    Btw: I choose pic #3 because of the shoes being very clear.
    Are there specific sources of better images behind a paywall you can point me to? Or are you just joking around? If they are behind paywall, I might have access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael.gartley View Post
    I am increasingly convinced the blue region on the left hand side of ONE of the two officially released BG images is not an artifact, but something actually in the field of view of the phone's camera. In other words, I cannot find any reason the blue region would be any type of image artifact from compression or processing or display.

    However I can only speculate what the object might be.

    An example of such an object could be a person's sleeve or the backside of a loose-fitting and unzipped jacket or sweatshirt. I've included a figure showing an example region of the inside of Abigail's sweatshirt that is in the shadow of the sun making appear dark blue (as it should).

    There is nothing in the BG image providing evidence that it IS Abigail, so one can only speculate w/o proof IMO.



    The source for the Snapchat image is from the heavy.com article, and the source of the BG image is the Feb 15th alert from ISP.
    If that was her jacket, wouldn't that make BG much taller than current estimates?


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    Quote Originally Posted by michael.gartley View Post
    Are there specific sources of better images behind a paywall you can point me to? Or are you just joking around? If they are behind paywall, I might have access.
    I'm not joking at all!! I didn't meant your links but in general. On my search for different pics I would constantly hit on paywall news with no access to text and pics. Tell me if I'm wrong. I like to learn from everyone here on the thread!

    PS: Just tested your links - perfectly available.
    Last edited by FromGermany; 04-29-2017 at 03:56 PM.
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...Feb-2015/page3
    2/2015 Murdered woman (24) in Eustis/FL - "This wasn't your typical shooting or stabbing. You don't see things like this, especially in a smaller community like we have here…," Franquiz said.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...2017-70/page61
    2/2017 Murdered girls Abby and Libby in Delphi/IN - Police have not released how Abby and Libby died, but say the teens' immediate family members know the answer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reluctant1 View Post
    If that was her jacket, wouldn't that make BG much taller than current estimates?

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    Good point. If some person was walking in front of BG, but equidistant from the sides as BG, the bottom of whatever the blue feature is seems consistent with the bottom of BG's sleeve. Is this what you saw also? I drew a line along the bridge side indicating the forward motion along bridge direction.



    In other words, if BG was further along his walking path in the image, it seems as though the bottom of his sleeve would be close to the bottom of the blue feature on the left side of the image. IMO.

    What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromGermany View Post
    I'm not joking at all!! I didn't meant your links but in general. On my search for different pics I would constantly hit on paywall news with no access to text and pics. Tell me if I'm wrong. I like to learn from everyone here on the thread!

    PS: Just tested your links - perfectly available.
    Strange, I haven't hit a paywall for news (except WSJ occasionally). Maybe says something about the quality of my news choices! LOL.

    Next time you hit a paywall for something related to this case, PM the link to me and I'll give it a shot. You might encounter more often since your reading from Germany (just a guess).

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    Hi Michael, I'm glad you are here with us. That area has been speculated to be Abby's coat from very early on.
    My question which always led me away from that theory is, wouldn't that place her teetering on the edge of the bridge?

    Quote Originally Posted by michael.gartley View Post
    I am increasingly convinced the blue region on the left hand side of ONE of the two officially released BG images is not an artifact, but something actually in the field of view of the phone's camera. In other words, I cannot find any reason the blue region would be any type of image artifact from compression or processing or display.

    However I can only speculate what the object might be.

    An example of such an object could be a person's sleeve or the backside of a loose-fitting and unzipped jacket or sweatshirt. I've included a figure showing an example region of the inside of Abigail's sweatshirt that is in the shadow of the sun making appear dark blue (as it should).

    There is nothing in the BG image providing evidence that it IS Abigail, so one can only speculate w/o proof IMO.



    The source for the Snapchat image is from the heavy.com article, and the source of the BG image is the Feb 15th alert from ISP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Paradise View Post
    Hi Michael, I'm glad you are here with us. That area has been speculated to be Abby's coat from very early on.
    My question which always led me away from that theory is, wouldn't that place her teetering on the edge of the bridge?
    Abby could have been turning to face BG who is coming up behind her. This would put her away from the edge.

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    (Ugh, getting that sick feeling again reading these latest posts re: the coat.)

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