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    K.J.L.B and S.B.T.C theory by Bluecrab

    I give credit to Bluecrab for his sharp eyes on this one. This theory really strikes a deep chord with me. It has been said by many on various forums that the periods in S.B.T.C could be separators. The Case of the Missing Period after C suggests that this might be the reason.

    The last post by the APAC at UofC in April 1997 was by "K.J.L.B Groups". Bluecrab wondered if the period separated the names of countries (Korea, Bhuttan, Laos,...). Likewise BC wondered if S.B.T.C was a group also. After all, "We are a group of ..." was a rather overdone, strange introduction.

    I've lost the thread on BC's full theory, but here is the starter and perhaps BC can help us out further:
    http://websleuths.com/forums/showthr...6&page=1&pp=25

    I've got a strong feeling about this one. The university age group fits with someone who watched and was immersed in kidnap crime movies.

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    Wondering if there's any way to merge this theory and Sissi's theory that involves Churchill? That would be an interesting combination, and maybe possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rupert
    I give credit to Bluecrab for his sharp eyes on this one. This theory really strikes a deep chord with me. It has been said by many on various forums that the periods in S.B.T.C could be separators. The Case of the Missing Period after C suggests that this might be the reason.

    The last post by the APAC at UofC in April 1997 was by "K.J.L.B Groups". Bluecrab wondered if the period separated the names of countries (Korea, Bhuttan, Laos,...). Likewise BC wondered if S.B.T.C was a group also. After all, "We are a group of ..." was a rather overdone, strange introduction.

    I've lost the thread on BC's full theory, but here is the starter and perhaps BC can help us out further:
    http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4896&page=1&pp=25

    I've got a strong feeling about this one. The university age group fits with someone who watched and was immersed in kidnap crime movies.


    Rupert,

    I too have a strong feeling that APAC members could be involved somehow in the killing of JonBenet. APAC at Boulder, a pro-active liberal political group, suspiciously shut down immediately following the murder. One of its 29 members, 21-year-old NI, was a close friend of the Ramseys and regularly drove Burke and JonBenet to school. NI, in his last year at CU, lived at the Stine's house and was Doug's caregiver. He wasn't even known to the cops until the Atlanta interviews in 2000, and I doubt if APAC and NI have been properly investigated and interviewed to this day.

    BlueCrab

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    Rupert,

    I too have a strong feeling that APAC members could be involved somehow in the killing of JonBenet. APAC at Boulder, a pro-active liberal political group, suspiciously shut down immediately following the murder. One of its 29 members, 21-year-old NI, was a close friend of the Ramseys and regularly drove Burke and JonBenet to school. NI, in his last year at CU, lived at the Stine's house and was Doug's caregiver. He wasn't even known to the cops until the Atlanta interviews in 2000, and I doubt if APAC and NI have been properly investigated and interviewed to this day.

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    Bluecrab,
    If it wasn't RDI, then I think the perp did it for a premeditated poltical reason and had the inside on the R's. I think the RN was a message. "We do respect your bussiness (kissiness) but not the country (Little Miss America) that it serves." In other words, we know you love your daughter but we have a message and as a symbol she is unfortunately chosen. Since it was a message, then it was written in code (so as to hide their identity S.B.T.C from most of us), just like "K.J.L.B Groups" is no doubt a code too. Coincidence? - this one is too strong.

    The perp might have been hyped up on drugs while watching Nick of Time that night and couldn't help but infuse his favorite hobby, watching the movies. The perp is vengeful and wants to gain control and thus takes pleasure instructing John just the way that the father was in Nick of Time. The thought made me wonder if the R's received some other instructions which they could not tell about. After all, there were some missing sheets. Perhaps that's why they became so defensive. Speculation and I know you have your own ideas.

    I don't think enough thinking has been done yet on this case and the BPD should definitely check this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rupert
    Bluecrab,
    If it wasn't RDI, then I think the perp did it for a premeditated poltical reason and had the inside on the R's. I think the RN was a message. "We do respect your bussiness (kissiness) but not the country (Little Miss America) that it serves." In other words, we know you love your daughter but we have a message and as a symbol she is unfortunately chosen. Since it was a message, then it was written in code (so as to hide their identity S.B.T.C from most of us), just like "K.J.L.B Groups" is no doubt a code too. Coincidence? - this one is too strong.

    The perp might have been hyped up on drugs while watching Nick of Time that night and couldn't help but infuse his favorite hobby, watching the movies. The perp is vengeful and wants to gain control and thus takes pleasure instructing John just the way that the father was in Nick of Time. The thought made me wonder if the R's received some other instructions which they could not tell about. After all, there were some missing sheets. Perhaps that's why they became so defensive. Speculation and I know you have your own ideas.

    I don't think enough thinking has been done yet on this case and the BPD should definitely check this out.


    Rupert,

    I agree that S.B.T.C on the ransom note and K.J.L.B on APAC's abandoned website should be considered more than just a mere coincidence. Investigators who write off stuff like that as a coincidence are either wearing blinders or are part of the obvious coverup that has been playing out for nine years now.

    The two identically phrased sets of initials as sign-offs are linked to JonBenet's murder by NI's close personal association with JonBenet and his membership in APAC.

    JonBenet, a privileged and beautiful white female from a conservative family and a symbol of what America stands for, versus APAC, a proactive liberal political group whose members seek justice for perceived unsolved crimes and discrimination against Asian-American women, was not a good mix.

    However, in this theory a Ramsey must also be included as a suspect along with an APAC member because of the intense Ramsey coverup of the crime. In this theory an APAC member had to have been the fifth person in the house that night, probably let in by BR. A preteen boy could have accompanied the APAC member into the house. The missing crimescene evidence walked out of the house with them in the middle of the night, most likely around 3:00 AM.

    BlueCrab
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    Bluecrab,
    Check your private email.

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    K.J.L.B Groups

    Well after amusing myself with variations on the APAC's members initials being paired, then Kanji abbreviations, then pinyin variations, closest was a dried food company situated in china.

    Applying some common sense, I arrived at an interpretation of "K.J.L.B Groups" which may constitute the Korean Japanese Laotian and Burmese ethnic groupings.


    I have another that goes Kill Johni L Benet, and SBTC is a public reply Strangled Bound Tortured Corpsed, but that seems to belong in the Stephen King realm, or from a forthcoming BTK true crime thriller.

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    Maybe the writer wanted to seem like they were from the Strangle Bind Torture Club, taking the idea from BTK which was from Bind Torture Kill.

    Everything else in the note seems to be copy catting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy
    Well after amusing myself with variations on the APAC's members initials being paired, then Kanji abbreviations, then pinyin variations, closest was a dried food company situated in china.

    Applying some common sense, I arrived at an interpretation of "K.J.L.B Groups" which may constitute the Korean Japanese Laotian and Burmese ethnic groupings.


    I have another that goes Kill Johni L Benet, and SBTC is a public reply Strangled Bound Tortured Corpsed, but that seems to belong in the Stephen King realm, or from a forthcoming BTK true crime thriller.
    I had wondered if someone might be thinking of btk and quickly thought of stun bind torture club since that is what looks to be what happened to Jonbenet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki
    I had wondered if someone might be thinking of btk and quickly thought of stun bind torture club since that is what looks to be what happened to Jonbenet.
    The C is likely for club because the RN used "we" and "men". Not that it was actually more than one person but the writer wanted to portray it that way.
    BTK was a notorious uncaught killer at the time and many had knowledge of his signature.
    She was bound and tortured. S could be strangle or stun. IMO The initials were made up so only the writer knows what was really intended. And since there was no kidnapping or ransome I'd say there was no real Club.
    The initials being so close to what happened to JonBenet is not a coincidence. I think they stand for Strangle Bind Torture Club or Stun Bind Torture Club. The reason it wasn't STBK is because they wanted to allude to a group not a single killer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Becba
    The C is likely for club because the RN used "we" and "men". Not that it was actually more than one person but the writer wanted to portray it that way.
    BTK was a notorious uncaught killer at the time and many had knowledge of his signature.
    She was bound and tortured. S could be strangle or stun. IMO The initials were made up so only the writer knows what was really intended. And since there was no kidnapping or ransome I'd say there was no real Club.
    The initials being so close to what happened to JonBenet is not a coincidence. I think they stand for Strangle Bind Torture Club or Stun Bind Torture Club. The reason it wasn't STBK is because they wanted to allude to a group not a single killer.
    Yes, I see what you mean. Back when I had thought of club, I was thinking the hitting of the head with a club. That's probably a stretch but couldn't help but wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki
    I had wondered if someone might be thinking of btk and quickly thought of stun bind torture club since that is what looks to be what happened to Jonbenet.

    Yes, more than likely, the RN seems to be a pastiche of crime genres. As if the authors intention was to be deliberately ambiguous to avoid being linked by some prior interest or knowledge.

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    Add S.J.N.I to S.B.T.C and K.J.L.B

    We can add S.J.N.I to the group abbreviations that are without a period following the last letter. Websleuther Rupert uncovered this one on the campus at Colorado University, Boulder. S.J.N.I stands for "Students for Justice in Northern Ireland".

    http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/SJNI/

    Moreover, there is what could be an important link between "S.J.N.I" and APAC's "K.J.L.B" (in addition to the missing period following the last letter in each case):

    CURRENT CO-CHAIR TOM SHELLEY OF S.J.N.I WAS ALSO ONE OF THE 29 MEMBERS OF THE "ASIAN PACIFIC AMERICAN COALITION" (APAC) IN 1996. APAC disbanded immediately following the murder of JonBenet. There was a direct connection between the Ramsey family and APAC by way of a family friend who lived at the Stine's house and who was also a member of APAC.

    Tom Shelley has been active in behalf of liberal causes on Colorado University's Boulder campus for many years. Besides being an APAC member in 1996, he is currently active in CU's "Young Democratic Socialists and Liberals Against War".

    For instance, in 2001 Shelley, representing the "Queer Labor Rights Coalition", was a guest speaker at the Boulder Campus Staff Council. Shelley was lobbying to gain domestic partner benefits (insurance, etc.) for students. And in 2003 Tom was on the podium with Boulder mayor Will Toor at a CU anti-war rally.

    Could a missing period help solve the JonBenet Ramsey murder? Maybe.

    BlueCrab
    Last edited by BlueCrab; 12-21-2005 at 01:22 PM.

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    Rupert and BC

    Wow, great sleuthing. You just never know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah
    Wow, great sleuthing. You just never know...
    Thanks, Nehemiah. Bluecrab is brave.

    Anyone:

    1. Does anyone have a photo of the students in Boulder with the sign "Stop Bombing Third world Countries". I'm sure I saw it somewhere on Jamesons or here. It had the vertical STBC highlighted.

    2. What might "Stop Bombing Third world Countries" have to do with bound up Barbie dolls? I considered like many others "Sweatshop Barbie".

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