998 users online (169 members and 829 guests)  


Websleuths News


Results 1 to 9 of 9
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    4,776

    OH - Cindy Johnson, 16, Independence, 30 Oct 1977

    New attention to teen’s murder 40 years later: ‘I am not gonna stop fighting for her’


    http://fox8.com/2017/05/04/new-atten...hting-for-her/

    Cindy left her home in Garfield Heights, OH on October 30, 1977 with a group of friends to see a concert in Edgewater Park in Lakewood.

    Her parents heard her return home later that night, but apparently she went back out. Her parents didn't hear her leave the second time. The next morning around 8:30 am, her body was discovered in a dumpster in Independence, OH, a neighboring suburb. She had been strangled with some kind of ligature.

    Her sister, Marilyn, has convinced Independence police to re-open the case

    Marilyn says a few years ago, she asked Independence police to re-open the case after people who knew Cindy began contacting her. The police have re-opened the investigation, but so far, they are no closer to finding Cindy's killer.

    "Somebody had contacted me on Facebook and they said they couldn't get it off of their mind. They said they had to tell me, people that was with her that night wanted to let me know what they knew about what was going on," she said.
    Marilyn has created a Facebook page to help solve her sister's murder

    https://www.facebook.com/Justiceforc...SEARCH&fref=nf

    I hope they find justice for this young lady.
    All statements are my opinion only.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    6,287
    Unsolved homicide

    Cynthia Johnson




    • Case number: 2033
    • Nickname or alias: Cindy
    • Incident location: 7395 Riverview Road
      Independence, Ohio - Cuyahoga County
    • Incident date: 10/30/1977 - 10/31/1977 (Approximate)
    • Homicide date: Unknown
    • Date of birth: 1/31/1961
    • Gender: Female
    • Race/Ethnicity: White
    • Height: 4'09"
    • Weight: 91lbs
    • Hair color: Brown
    • Eye color: Hazel
    • Law enforcement agency: Independence Police Department


    Details

    Sixteen year old Cynthia Johnson left her residence in Garfield Heights around 7:00 p.m on 10/30/1977, and was found in a dumpster at a local business in Independence at 8:30 a.m on 10/31/77. Cynthia's death was ruled a homicide; strangulation by ligature.

    http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/L...ldCaseDatabase
    Attached Images Attached Images

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    4,776
    The blog "Defrosting Cold Cases" has more information about Cindy

    http://www.defrostingcoldcases.com/c...marie-johnson/

    She was meeting a man that night to go to the concert. According to her sister at the Fox8 News link, she went to the concert with a group of friends. The sister also says she's been contacted by "friends" who want her to know more about what happened that night

    Cindy was fully dressed when found on top of an industrial waste container behind Titan Fastener Engineering Company.

    Her family used to live in Red Star, WVa

    LE twice questioned the man that Cindy was alleged to have met that night. He was a friend of her step-father. He supposedly had an alibi.

    The latter bit of information is a bit unsettling. Why would a 16 yo girl want to meet a man who was a friend of her step-father? Did she tell her parents she was going out with friends, but met this man instead? If so, why are other friends of Cindy's now contacting her sister to say they want to give her more information about what happened that night?

    I'm going to search for more news stories from back then for more information.

    As info, the area where her body was found is part of the Cuyahoga Valley Natl Park now. If the address given is accurate, that portion of Riverview Rd is now closed, no buildings there. The warehouse may have been there in 1977, but it would still have been a remote, dark area. Were teens hanging out there having a late night Halloween party? Possible.

    ETA: Here's a link to a story about her in the Beckley, WVa newspaper from Nov 4, 1977. The link is subscription only (Newspapers.com). It has the information about police questioning the friend of Cindy's step-father. He claims he never saw her that night. Was he not telling the truth or did she make up the story she told her friends about meeting him?
    Last edited by Betty P; 05-06-2017 at 10:05 PM.
    All statements are my opinion only.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Indiana [USA]
    Posts
    1,811
    She was meeting a man that night to go to the concert. According to her sister at the Fox8 News link, she went to the concert with a group of friends.....That is confusing?? She was meeting a man that night to go to the concert/she went to the concert with a group of friends. .........

    She went to the concert later on came home and then left again. The mother heard her come home but did not hear any sounds to indicate she left later after coming home.

    Did she take the same things with her the second time when she left the first time? Like a purse or bag, house key etc . Was her bed used as if she was sleeping in it after returning home the first time? Or was it made as it was before she left the first time.......

    The place she ws found was not far from home. And closer to home than the concert. Either the dumping ground was pre plain, Chosen as an afterthought, or she was already there and then killed and left there, or she was killed at home and driven there.

    Seems to me it was a quick drop. Probably killed inside a vehicle at the site and left there.

    But motive??? Why would someone want to kill this young girl??
    Thrill kill?? Revenge??.......Thoughts??

    Did the LEOs come to the conclusion she was NOT taken from the home after returning the second time?
    And the mother said she heard her return home afterwards but not hear her leave again. Did she mean she heard the door open and close and footsteps and assumed it was her daughter. What did she mean by heard her return home.

    What time did her friends drop her off after the concert?
    Would that had been around 11 to 1am?

    Does anyone have any photos of the house at the time of the crime?

    :+:Anneliese Michel:+:

    [21 September 1952–1 July 1976]

    [Second chapter twelfth verse of [
    :+:Philippians:+:]
    [Work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling]
    :+:Emily Rose:+:




  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    4,776
    Quote Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+: View Post
    She was meeting a man that night to go to the concert. According to her sister at the Fox8 News link, she went to the concert with a group of friends.....That is confusing?? She was meeting a man that night to go to the concert/she went to the concert with a group of friends. .........

    She went to the concert later on came home and then left again. The mother heard her come home but did not hear any sounds to indicate she left later after coming home.

    Did she take the same things with her the second time when she left the first time? Like a purse or bag, house key etc . Was her bed used as if she was sleeping in it after returning home the first time? Or was it made as it was before she left the first time.......

    The place she ws found was not far from home. And closer to home than the concert. Either the dumping ground was pre plain, Chosen as an afterthought, or she was already there and then killed and left there, or she was killed at home and driven there.

    Seems to me it was a quick drop. Probably killed inside a vehicle at the site and left there.

    But motive??? Why would someone want to kill this young girl??
    Thrill kill?? Revenge??.......Thoughts??

    Did the LEOs come to the conclusion she was NOT taken from the home after returning the second time?
    And the mother said she heard her return home afterwards but not hear her leave again. Did she mean she heard the door open and close and footsteps and assumed it was her daughter. What did she mean by heard her return home.

    What time did her friends drop her off after the concert?
    Would that had been around 11 to 1am?

    Does anyone have any photos of the house at the time of the crime?
    Hi Mr TT, good to see you.

    As for her coming home, then leaving again, I'm assuming at age 16 she had a curfew. Probably midnight or something. If she did come home and leave again, it sounds like she had previously arranged a rendezvous with someone, a person she had talked to that night or just before.

    In 1977, Independence, OH probably had a smaller-sized police department. It sounds like they talked to everyone. They even talked to the mystery man who was the step-father's friend and followed up on his alibi. I'm still suspicious of that guy.

    Plain Dealer Nov 1 article:

    She wasn't identified at that point

    Police chief said she had only been dead a few hours

    Found by an employee emptying trash

    Deputy Coroner: She had been strangled, but "not by hands"

    No indication of sexual molestation

    She was wearing a blue suede C.P.O jacket, blue pullover sweater with multicolored sleeves and waistband, blue jeans, knee high pink socks, yellow suede platform shoes.

    Turquoise rings on both hands, silver bracelet on right wrist and metal choker necklace

    Previous day's Plain Dealer said there had been a Yippie concert at Edgewater Park. Concert and rally celebrating the defeat of Mayor Ralph Perk.

    Nov 2 Plain Dealer article

    Cindy identified by her mother Pearl Volpe and brother Roy Johnson

    Lived at 9157 Garfield Blvd, Garfield Hts

    Deputy Coroner again says she wasn't sexually molested

    Mother said she last saw her about 7 pm Sunday. She was going to walk down Garfield Blvd. to Turney Rd, where she was going to meet some friends. Police were questioning her friends.

    No links for news stories, it's a paid site. Have to take off, but will search for more later.
    Last edited by Betty P; 05-07-2017 at 11:50 AM.
    All statements are my opinion only.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    4,776
    Here's a link to the newsbank.com web site with archives of the Plain Dealer articles. It's a paid site, if you want to search.

    http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/...660AC742C384@2

    I found two more articles:

    Nov 3, 1977

    Police are stymied in Independence girl's death

    Police twice talked to the 39 yr man who was a friend of Cindy's step-father who she told her friend she was going to meet. She told her mother she would be home by 11 pm, then walked down Garfield Blvd with a friend. The friend said Cindy told her she was going to meet the man at a parking lot at Garfield & Turney Rd. Cindy's friends said she had been with this man a couple of times before.

    Cindy's friend said she turned and walked back home before they got to the meeting place. Cindy went on alone.

    Nov. 4, 1977

    Article states the Independence police released the man they had questioned in Cindy's disappearance. He passed a polygraph test and had an alibi.

    Her name was mentioned in an article in Oct 25, 1978 along with a list of other cold case murders from the area.

    The old news articles don't mention anything about her going to a concert at Edgewater Park that night. I wonder if her friends knew and were keeping that information from LE at the time. In the recent Fox 8 news story, her sister mentions her going to the concert with friends that night. I wonder if that's something that was revealed later?

    Three possible scenarios:

    1 She told the 39 yo friend of her father that she was going to the Edgewater concert with friends and he asked her to sneak out of the house later, after she returned home from the concert. Perhaps he feared someone would find out about their relationship and killed her.

    2 She went to the concert with friends, met a stranger there and arranged to sneak out of the house later to meet him. They went somewhere secluded, where he killed her and dumped her body in the Cuyahoga Valley Natl Park. If a stranger, it would have been some kind of sociopathic predator wanting to do a thrill kill or was angry at being refused sex.

    3 She went to the concert with her friends and they all arranged to sneak out after curfew for a party down by the CVNP. She was killed by someone in her group of friends.

    I've talked to people who grew up in the burbs south of Cleveland and there were a number of places around present day CVNP that were popular for parking and partying back in the day.

    I hope her friends come forward with more information. She was just a young girl, a sophomore at Garfield Hts High School. Sad to think her killer is still walking around.

    ETA: Map from her home to the location where her body was found

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/7395...1.429177?hl=en
    Last edited by Betty P; 05-07-2017 at 08:17 PM.
    All statements are my opinion only.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Indiana [USA]
    Posts
    1,811
    Quote Originally Posted by Betty P View Post
    Hi Mr TT, good to see you.

    As for her coming home, then leaving again, I'm assuming at age 16 she had a curfew. Probably midnight or something. If she did come home and leave again, it sounds like she had previously arranged a rendezvous with someone, a person she had talked to that night or just before.

    In 1977, Independence, OH probably had a smaller-sized police department. It sounds like they talked to everyone. They even talked to the mystery man who was the step-father's friend and followed up on his alibi. I'm still suspicious of that guy.

    Plain Dealer Nov 1 article:

    She wasn't identified at that point

    Police chief said she had only been dead a few hours

    Found by an employee emptying trash

    Deputy Coroner: She had been strangled, but "not by hands"

    No indication of sexual molestation

    She was wearing a blue suede C.P.O jacket, blue pullover sweater with multicolored sleeves and waistband, blue jeans, knee high pink socks, yellow suede platform shoes.

    Turquoise rings on both hands, silver bracelet on right wrist and metal choker necklace

    Previous day's Plain Dealer said there had been a Yippie concert at Edgewater Park. Concert and rally celebrating the defeat of Mayor Ralph Perk.

    Nov 2 Plain Dealer article

    Cindy identified by her mother Pearl Volpe and brother Roy Johnson

    Lived at 9157 Garfield Blvd, Garfield Hts

    Deputy Coroner again says she wasn't sexually molested

    Mother said she last saw her about 7 pm Sunday. She was going to walk down Garfield Blvd. to Turney Rd, where she was going to meet some friends. Police were questioning her friends.

    No links for news stories, it's a paid site. Have to take off, but will search for more later.
    Thank you for your links and your visual map!! It was nice to see the house. And if you pull the knob to 2007 you can see what it looked like in October 2007. Thirty years to the month.

    Dealing with teenagers at the time of this and reading and so forth can cause one a headache. There are conflictions in times, when things happened then. I am reading she left the first time at 7pm? But a friend on Facebook mentions that they were at the concert in the afternoon?? So it cannot be both? See below.
    Sixteen year old Cynthia Johnson left her residence in Garfield Heights around 7:00 p.m on 10/30/1977
    The concert was in the afternoon. I wàs with her from about the middle of the concert until just before it ended.


    Pieces of her travel time is missing.\
    We got a friend saying that they walked to meet a man. The friend left before reaching where the man was. Then we got Cindy at the concert in the afternoon, not knowing how she got there??Did she walk there.? After meeting the man, if she did, could she have walked to the concert from there to join her friends?.....DID she walk home? After leaving the concert.......WHAT time did the mother report hearing her return home that night but not hearing her leave later?

    This is thinking outside the box. But just wanted to post it anyways. If I was to guess I would say she was killed between 3am and 4am on Halloween Morning. They mention she had been killed only a few hours early. So that would be my guess. The murder weapon used I assume they referring to something like that that was found on JBR. Something you could twist to tighten and let go to release the pressure. To me this was a sadistic thrill killing. A thrill kill. Death was not instant. But continue for awhile. Sorry to post that.

    Depending upon the time she left the home the second time, I am guessing it was after 11pm?? Looking at your map its about 15 minutes or so, 7 some miles from where she lived and where she was found.

    I would guess she was killed at the spot where found.

    So at some point say after 11pm she comes home, makes noise in the house to let her mother, knw she is home by makeing noise. And thing some time after that she sneaks out they said and left with someone in a vehicle.


    How did she get home the first time????Walked from the concert?? Dropped off?? The friend mentioned they smoke some pot for awhile and left there separate ways. So after arriving home that first time she probably was still under the influence of the pot.

    Since she was found a few miles away we can assume she left the second time in a vehicle. Probably she may have left with someone she knew in some aspect/well or not so well, to go listen to some eight track music and perhaps smoke some more pot at the spot where she was found I am just guessing....... Chevy Nova or Vega!?

    ADD ON 453PM
    OK, just looked at a calendar. I thought it was a Friday or Saturday afternoon for the concert. Know I see it was a Sunday.
    So the mother said she last seen her that Sunday at 7pm. So that means she came home after the concert around 7pm andd then left, snuck out later?????

    For some reason I assume we was talking about her coming home late that night around 11pm or later and then leaving, sneaking out not long or some time after that.

    ADD ON 2...
    I just noticed she was killed on her Birthday morning. October 31 1961. It was her birthday.......Wondering if THAT had some reason why she left again...I will think about that.
    Last edited by :+:MrTT:+:; 05-14-2017 at 05:24 PM. Reason: ADD ON 2

    :+:Anneliese Michel:+:

    [21 September 1952–1 July 1976]

    [Second chapter twelfth verse of [
    :+:Philippians:+:]
    [Work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling]
    :+:Emily Rose:+:




  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Indiana [USA]
    Posts
    1,811
    BER?........When you went your separate ways, was that around 5 or 6 pm that Sunday evening after the concert? And do you know, did she walk home and that is when the mother mentioned she last seen her around 7pm that evening?

    Correction!!! In post number 7 add on 2 I mentioned it was her birthday. That was my mistake. I read her birthday as October 31st instead of January 31st. I apologize for that error.
    Last edited by :+:MrTT:+:; 05-14-2017 at 06:11 PM.

    :+:Anneliese Michel:+:

    [21 September 1952–1 July 1976]

    [Second chapter twelfth verse of [
    :+:Philippians:+:]
    [Work out your own salvation, with fear and trembling]
    :+:Emily Rose:+:




  9. #9
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    425

    OH - Cindy Johnson, 16, Independence, 30 Oct 1977



    I wonder if LE saved all the evidence? It would be great if they could run DNA tests, on whatever was used to strangle this child. I hate writing sentences like that. This young girl had so much future awaiting her. The person(s) responsible took all of that away from Cindy, and her family. I hope that karma has not treated the culprit(s) very nicely. JMO of course.
    Attached Images Attached Images
    Last edited by Jim_M; 07-29-2017 at 03:40 AM. Reason: Adding picture
    We are here to help. I will do my best to not cause any hindrance, in any manner.
    I will at times, "think out loud." I have done this since I can remember.
    I will share my opinions. Thoughts. Insights. And I encourage everyone else to do the same.
    Let's find them, and bring them home!

    We Are All One Human Race!



Similar Threads

  1. OR OR - Cindy King, 15, Grants Pass, 19 July 1977
    By Jake479 in forum 1970's Missing
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 10-04-2017, 08:11 PM
  2. MN MN - Cindy Elias, 19, Virginia, 24 March 1977
    By TedMac in forum Cold Cases
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 09-10-2017, 08:44 PM
  3. Replies: 166
    Last Post: 11-30-2016, 01:34 PM
  4. OR Cindy Irene King (15) - Grants Pass OR, 1977
    By SheWhoMustNotBeNamed in forum Missing Children in America - A Profile
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 04-18-2010, 02:40 PM
  5. MO Michael Lloyd Johnson (9 mths) & Sheri Lynn Johnson (4) - Independence MO, 1974
    By SheWhoMustNotBeNamed in forum Missing Children in America - A Profile
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 04-08-2010, 04:00 PM

Tags for this Thread