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    New Information Says Daughter & Father Tried to Escape Their Sinking Van

    There has been a lot of speculation that maybe the daughter drove into the water on purpose but now a witness said both victims were trying to get out of the van.

    The link below has a video of the rescuers trying to get them out of the van before it sank. It is very disturbing to watch.


    Tim Cobb of Venice said he tried the back hatch and other doors but was thwarted by water pressure. The driver “was actively trying to get out,

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    Rescuers were unable to save driver Carol Hayden, 64, and her father, Eugene Hayden, 88, both of Venice, after their white van drove into the water off the South Jetty at about 4:20 p.m., according to police.


    http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20...e-witness-says
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    Oh, how awful!

    I cannot imagine the sheer frantic panic.

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    Oh Lord this is so sad. Terribly tragic and such a horrible way to die.

    RIP Carol & Eugene.

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    O how awful, those poor people. May their souls rest in peace.
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    I saw this in the news - I did not know the couple personally though I have a bunch of friends who live in Venice (three towns south of Sarasota where I live). LE is still investigating.

    Thank you for posting this shocking story, Tricia.
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    Heartbreaking moment bystanders try and fail to save elderly father and daughter from a minivan sinking off Florida jetty

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4giqsgWr1

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    I have never been to the Venice jetty - from what I have heard the currents can be strong in that area which is why the van went down so quickly.

    http://www.mysuncoast.com/news/local...6ee931bb9.html

    http://www.heraldtribune.com/photoga...2/PH/1?start=2
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    terrible

    those poor people

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    Wow that is so sad. I cannot imagine their fear. Also I am amazed by how brave the men who jumped in were, they are hero's no matter the outcome

    Bless Carol and Eugene

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    Stories like this just really make my heart hurt. I can't even imagine the sheer terror for the people inside the vehicle, feeling so helpless....and for those trying to help. OMG. What can you do in a situation like this when the pressure of the water prevents you from opening the doors, and you can't just unroll a window because most vehicles these days are power windows (plus even if not, I would think the pressure of the water against the window would prevent it from being rolled down manually). This is just so upsetting, my heart and prayers go out to the family and friends, and those who risked their own lives to attempt a rescue. This will weigh on their minds forever :-(


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    I live in Sarasota. This is all over our news. One article quoted the Sheriffs Dept and said it is being treated as a homicide investigation. Because of that specific wording, as well as the witnesses who states that the driver went forward until hitting a bench and then reversed before driving forward into the water - we are left to believe murder suicide or dual suicide.

    Very shocking and disturbing, may they rest in peace. Hoping anyone who witnessed it can find a way to come to terms as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FL Wannabe View Post
    I live in Sarasota. This is all over our news. One article quoted the Sheriffs Dept and said it is being treated as a homicide investigation. Because of that specific wording, as well as the witnesses who states that the driver went forward until hitting a bench and then reversed before driving forward into the water - we are left to believe murder suicide or dual suicide.

    Very shocking and disturbing, may they rest in peace. Hoping anyone who witnessed it can find a way to come to terms as well.

    I heard that too - I live in Sarasota too.

    That's why it would help if LE finds out exactly what transpired before this all happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    There has been a lot of speculation that maybe the daughter drove into the water on purpose but now a witness said both victims were trying to get out of the van.

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    even if it was done on purpose their reaction would probably be the same,

    panic, and natural human instinct would kick in and make them try to get out

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    From the many stories we read, this is very sad. Maybe there are family members who can give insight as to any problems either one was suffering from.

    Thinking it was an accident, the pure shock would render you helpless in those first few seconds that are so important in trying to save yourself. Getting out of the seatbelt is the first obstacle, then figuring out how to break a window is a BIG problem as what do you use, how strong you are, do you fear water, and how fast the vehicle is sinking.

    While I do have one of those gadgets to cut a seatbeat and knockout a window in my console, in a panic situation, will I remember, can I get it to work? Or will the pure shock/feat of the situation make me incapable of logical thinking?

    Back in the fall I was driving home from a friend's after dark. One second I was turning a corner, the next second my car had been taken over by a force of its own where I had no control! I could not steer, brakes didn't work, my immediate thought was put my head back on the head rest and cover my face with my arms. Thank heavens for a man made barrier with trees! It was out in the country on a two lane road.

    People were running to me before my car had fully stopped. I thought a deer had run into me. As it turned out, a tall/high vehicle had run me off the road and kept on going! I was not hurt. Thank you God! Had to have a new front end and driver's side replaced. Cars can be fixed much easier than people!

    Moral to story, I was so stunned and dazed, even though I had not hit my head, I had to sit a few minutes to calm down. So, had it been in water, I don't believe I could have helped myself. Forget adrenaline, that sure didn't kick in!

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