OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #27

Ohio Shooting: Latest on Pike County murders
Wednesday, May 4, 2016

PIKE COUNTY, Ohio — No arrests have been made in the shooting investigation of eight execution-style killings of members of the Rhoden family last month in Pike County, Ohio.

Ohio family massacre highlights rural region’s ties to illegal drugs
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The gruesome slayings have rattled this southeast corner of Appalachian Ohio, a region that culturally identifies more closely with neighboring Kentucky and West Virginia than the state’s northern cities.

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Adding to the shock was the discovery of hundreds of illegal marijuana plants on Rhoden’s property, highlighting the region’s dependency on the illegal drug trade as jobs in agriculture and timber have dried up.

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http://fox45now.com/news/local/inves...sacre-evidence

Investigators search Adams Co. farm for Pike Co. massacre evidence

ADAMS COUNTY, Ohio (WKRC) - Law enforcement officers are searching a farm in Adams County for evidence in the Pike County massacre. That farm is off of SR 32 near Peebles.

Police Track Truck of Victim's Brother

The warrant, signed by Pike County Common Pleas Judge Timothy S. Hogan, indicated authorities believe the truck was “used as a means of the commission of the crime’’ of aggravated murder. Or it was in the possession of another person with the intent to use the vehicle as a means of committing the crime, the warrant stated.


The search warrant never names Manley as a suspect, nor does it state that it is tied to the Rhoden homicide investigation.

I'm not sure what I think of this question without knowing the context.

"We bent over backwards. I give them DNA, I give them my phone so they could go through it. I mean, I’ve answered their stupid questions,” Leonard Manley said.

One example: investigators asked why he was dressed in black.

“They just won’t quit,” he said.

“I just told the prosecutor, the next time they come to my house, they’d better have a warrant,” he said.

http://www.whio.com/news/crime--law...ry-with-investigators/sdp9LLWQiJlVbJhA69ps9L/

Thanks tlcya! I can't believe we burned through #26 so quickly!

LM tells reporter JM was texting JW and AM was also texting DM. It is towards the end of the video.

[video=youtube;bf4ObgRJ_Xo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf4ObgRJ_Xo&sns=em[/video]

Tiff23fr said:

I'm not sure what I think of this question without knowing the context.

"We bent over backwards. I give them DNA, I give them my phone so they could go through it. I mean, I’ve answered their stupid questions,” Leonard Manley said.

One example: investigators asked why he was dressed in black.

“They just won’t quit,” he said.

“I just told the prosecutor, the next time they come to my house, they’d better have a warrant,” he said.

http://www.whio.com/news/crime--law...ry-with-investigators/sdp9LLWQiJlVbJhA69ps9L/

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Good question.

When LM talks about the prosecutor needing a warrant next time LE comes to his house, it sounds like LM has been cooperating with them. He's talked to them without benefit of an attorney. That's a very trusting and risky thing for him to do and now he feels like they've betrayed his trust. JMO, it also sounds like Leonard never had reason to suspect his son or daughter were involved in the murders. He's tried to do the right thing and now feels betrayed. He's probably thinking LE may try to entrap him next.

Leonard wants these killers caught and it sounds like he has his own idea about who was involved. He's probably shared that with LE and is upset they're focusing on his own family instead.

But, yeah, any family member who has been talking to LE for over a year, without getting an attorney to represent him sounds 100% cooperative. That's a lot coming from a county where people don't have much trust in a local LE agency with a checkered past .

Betty P said:

It's hard to form an opinion with all the wild theories that have been floated about this case from the beginning. Add in LE's long silences, periods of inactivity and sequestering of nearly all information about the case and it's very frustrating.

News media and public have been nearly completely shut out from the start. That leaves fertile ground for rumors and speculation.

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It has been very frustrating.

Rationally, I absolutely do understand the need for secrecy in order to have the best chance of solving the case and successfully prosecuting ALL of the people responsible for the deaths. That said... without actual news, not even a definitive motive, rumors and supposition are pretty much all we have to go on.

It's reading a mystery novel with a whole bunch of random pages missing and just hoping that when you come to the end it will make some sense.

Tiff23fr said:

LM tells reporter JM was texting JW and AM was also texting DM. It is towards the end of the video.

[video=youtube;bf4ObgRJ_Xo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf4ObgRJ_Xo&sns=em[/video]

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Ok, so we already heard what Leonard said about LE saying JM had texted JW. The talk of April Manley (JW's wife) texting Dina R at 1 am is a rumor that floated around for months.

This report confirms that LM told the reporter that he talked to his son and confirmed both JM's texting activity & AM's as well.

Not confirmed officially by LE, but confirmed by Leonard. I guess it's ok to discuss AM texting Dina R that night?

Betty P said:

Ok, so we already heard what Leonard said about LE saying JM had texted JW. The talk of April Manley (JW's wife) texting Dina R at 1 am is a rumor that floated around for months.

This report confirms that LM told the reporter that he talked to his son and confirmed both JM's texting activity & AM's as well.

Not confirmed officially by LE, but confirmed by Leonard. I guess it's ok to discuss AM texting Dina R that night?

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It is definitely said on the video! It's quite shocking to hear it said aloud! OMG!

Ohio BMV says this about finding names of previous vehicle owners: Due to the Drivers Privacy Protection Act the information you are requesting protected and cannot be released.

Betty P said:

Ok, so we already heard what Leonard said about LE saying JM had texted JW. The talk of April Manley (JW's wife) texting Dina R at 1 am is a rumor that floated around for months.

This report confirms that LM told the reporter that he talked to his son and confirmed both JM's texting activity & AM's as well.

Not confirmed officially by LE, but confirmed by Leonard. I guess it's ok to discuss AM texting Dina R that night?

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They really have to sensationalize it all.

Sorry, didn't know.

Tiff23fr said:

I'm not sure what I think of this question without knowing the context.

"We bent over backwards. I give them DNA, I give them my phone so they could go through it. I mean, I’ve answered their stupid questions,” Leonard Manley said.

One example: investigators asked why he was dressed in black.

“They just won’t quit,” he said.

“I just told the prosecutor, the next time they come to my house, they’d better have a warrant,” he said.

http://www.whio.com/news/crime--law...ry-with-investigators/sdp9LLWQiJlVbJhA69ps9L/

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If they could only see my wardrobe... Is it going to be dark black, light black, off black, or very dark grey, today? Good grief, the man is wearing a black shirt in the photo.

Thanks for posting the video. Jody Barr, my favorite and so relevant.

What were the messages of the texts? Isn't it the essential question?

There is nothing out of the ordinary with AM texting her sister at 2AM. DR was a nurse with a schedule. It all depends on the content.

I am more curious of the relationship between JW and JM? I don't see it yet. Perhaps with another family member...

Tiff23fr said:

LM tells reporter JM was texting JW and AM was also texting DM. It is towards the end of the video.

[video=youtube;bf4ObgRJ_Xo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf4ObgRJ_Xo&sns=em[/video]

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Does LM, and family, not have lawyers who has advised them? I'm not being mean but bless his heart, he really shouldn't talk to them.

Again, I've always wondered why JM would say he didn't want to "find his niece like that", when he could hear the infant crying. That statement has never made sense to me.

DR was on on FB, that night, right at 1:00 a.m. She posted two shares. I've got a screenshot, but unsure about TOS re; posting it.

rsd1200 said:

Does LM, and family, not have lawyers who has advised them? I'm not being mean but bless his heart, he really shouldn't talk to them.

Again, I've always wondered why JM would say he didn't want to "find his niece like that", when he could hear the infant crying. That statement has never made sense to me.

DR was on on FB, that night, right at 1:00 a.m. She posted two shares. I've got a screenshot, but unsure about TOS re; posting it.

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Pretty sure you can link to her Facebook, but you can't post screenshots. Hope someone corrects me if necessary.

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rsd1200 said:

Does LM, and family, not have lawyers who has advised them? I'm not being mean but bless his heart, he really shouldn't talk to them.

Again, I've always wondered why JM would say he didn't want to "find his niece like that", when he could hear the infant crying. That statement has never made sense to me.

DR was on on FB, that night, right at 1:00 a.m. She posted two shares. I've got a screenshot, but unsure about TOS re; posting it.

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We should probably ask mods about DR's Facebook posts.

JM's response on discovering his sister's body & hearing baby cry has always struck me as "off", but it could be written off to panic of the moment. The texting by him and his wife that night could be innocent, but in light of timing, etc. it doesn't look good.

ETA: What prallypie said above is correct, I think. That came up recently with another victim's FB page.

The social media pages of the victims are okay to discuss. You may link to particular posts of interest. No screen caps please.

I am thinking (because I believe I read it in an article) that since it is quoted that she was nursing R or had just finishing nursing - that maybe her breasts were exposed when he went in the bedroom ? He might have thought Hanna would have been exposed in the same way since she was nursing K. We don't know that there was some purposeful posing of the victims ?

I know I would have been traumatized even w/o nudity ? given the violence of the murders.

Again, just postulating why he would not retrieve the infant K when he heard her crying.

He probably began looking at himself to see if there was any blood on him. Just cannot imagine the horrific scenes.

jk204 said:

Thanks for posting the video. Jody Barr, my favorite and so relevant.

What were the messages of the texts? Isn't it the essential question?

There is nothing out of the ordinary with AM texting her sister at 2AM. DR was a nurse with a schedule. It all depends on the content.

I am more curious of the relationship between JW and JM? I don't see it yet. Perhaps with another family member...

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So, if DR was texting at 2 AM, the murders had to have taken place after that. There's always been a lot of speculation about whether DR was still awake or had been awakened by the killers, as JM said he saw her feet when he opened the front door.

Makes you wonder if CR Sr was the first place the killers attacked and if he had time to call DR and awaken her before he was killed. If so, they probably went immediately to DR's. Otherwise she probably would have had time to call 911. That's why I wonder whether there was more than 1 group or individuals roaming around UH road that night. If they killed CR Sr and GR first, they probably would have also felt the need to go next door to FR's too. Did they split up, one going to FR's the other to DR?