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    Quote Originally Posted by jamiect View Post
    Nice photo's. And all for charity.

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    Obama is not/was not a savior. I'm tired of him being portrayed as such.

    The United States needs Universal Healthcare. The ACA has been/is failing. It's beyond high time that we pass a Universal Healthcare act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrell skye View Post
    Obama is not/was not a savior. I'm tired of him being portrayed as such.

    The United States needs Universal Healthcare. The ACA has been/is failing. It's beyond high time that we pass a Universal Healthcare act.
    You're right. He was a moderate president (he'd be considered center right in much of Europe). He didn't save the world. But he was our first black president so that meant a lot. And he was dignified and honorable, sober-minded, intelligent, humble and without scandal. So he's got a lot of fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrell skye View Post
    Obama is not/was not a savior. I'm tired of him being portrayed as such.

    The United States needs Universal Healthcare. The ACA has been/is failing. It's beyond high time that we pass a Universal Healthcare act.
    IMO- Obama was imperfect, like all great men, and presidents, but he was a historic first. The possibilities he took a chance on furthered a healing of the human spirit at a depth that I am at a loss of words to describe just how that is so. -But it was felt so deeply. -His was the ideal of a more perfect union. And I still carry his belief in that possibility and am grateful Obama came along in my lifetime.

    He was the first to advance affordable HC into legislation. --No small feat. It is of course, so flawed, after many iterations in congress, that someone like trump could come along and advance its future failure by withholding government commitments to subsidies... Imagine how different it might be had we elected a democrat to uphold it, improve it, or a republican willing to work in a bipartisan effort to do the same. So we the people are hanging in the balance once again.

    Obama lived up to his potential, and was such an excellent and measured steward during those initial rocky times taking on the financial crisis. If only we had more bipartisan spirit in our government. We do have some very basic needs that it eludes me as to how a country of our caliper cannot achieve it.

    I am not a socialist, but neither am I an extreme capitalist... And politics can't find the middle ground either.
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    Congress passed the ACA, IMO, because they were afraid of trying to craft and pass something better, because the Democrats were afraid of alienating the moderates.

    IMO, this is why the Democratic Party lost the 2016 presidential election: they spent too much of their time trying to appease the Right, while ignoring the growing dissatisfaction of the Left.

    I caucused in my precinct for Bernie Sanders - as did many of my neighbors. My precinct (as well as my entire state) won for Bernie, but do you know what the Hillary supporters ordered us to do? "When Bernie doesn't get the nomination, we know you'll vote for Hillary".

    I'm sick & tired of the Democratic Party taking me for granted. And, no, I didn't vote for Hillary in the general election. I wrote in Bernie's name, as did my partner and many other people I know.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: If the Democratic Party (or any party, for that matter) wants my vote, they'll have to earn it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gitana1 View Post
    You're right. He was a moderate president (he'd be considered center right in much of Europe). He didn't save the world. But he was our first black president so that meant a lot. And he was dignified and honorable, sober-minded, intelligent, humble and without scandal. So he's got a lot of fans.
    I would give anything to get those eight years back.
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