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    Quote Originally Posted by wildebeest View Post
    It's just horrible. I have family and friends all over the state and everyone is on edge about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyguy33 View Post
    is there a video or is it just audio. I was just getting to the good part and it ended so I assume that was a long trailer I just heard
    swornpodast.com, next episode, SS opened up the files, can't wait to see whats new

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    Quote Originally Posted by lstiff View Post
    It's just horrible. I have family and friends all over the state and everyone is on edge about this.
    Putnam just keeps getting in the news..............i havent been back for a year to our lake place.............thankfully im in Utah during this time, so worried about my friends in the area and north of putnam though......praying they find them without anyone being harmed

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildebeest View Post
    continuing saga of putnam.............just amazing..........will it ever end?

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    Some new or clarified points I got from swornpodcast...........1- the kitchen has things scattered about......2-bed was unmade.............3-Mr D had t shirt on and cut was along his shirts neckline............4-SS said he's certain the murder was on Saturday,,,,,,5,-decapitation was after Mr D's death, likely decapitated in garage as towels were placed around the bloodly area to keep it from running out garage door........though it was pooled at this head and neck area, it wasn't spattered since the heart wasn't pumping upon decap,,,,,,,,as SS said, they did not want him discovered right away ,......48 hours, most critical.........atleast 72 or more had passed since the murder and discovery on Tues

    So far, it appears she worked fridays puzzle, saturday morning something occurred after Mrs D was up and dressed, they had breakfast and coffee going and Mr D maybe hadn't been risen long possibly since bed was unmade. Saturday is not a day a robber would arrive since most are done when no one is home, that would be on a workday unless they knew their victims schedule purposely so it appears as we all think........they were targeted, whoever came up, the D"s or Mrs D, felt unthreatened for whatever reason............can't wait for next episode

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by dancinunderthemoon View Post
    Some new or clarified points I got from swornpodcast...........1- the kitchen has things scattered about......2-bed was unmade.............3-Mr D had t shirt on and cut was along his shirts neckline............4-SS said he's certain the murder was on Saturday,,,,,,5,-decapitation was after Mr D's death, likely decapitated in garage as towels were placed around the bloodly area to keep it from running out garage door........though it was pooled at this head and neck area, it wasn't spattered since the heart wasn't pumping upon decap,,,,,,,,as SS said, they did not want him discovered right away ,......48 hours, most critical.........atleast 72 or more had passed since the murder and discovery on Tues

    So far, it appears she worked fridays puzzle, saturday morning something occurred after Mrs D was up and dressed, they had breakfast and coffee going and Mr D maybe hadn't been risen long possibly since bed was unmade. Saturday is not a day a robber would arrive since most are done when no one is home, that would be on a workday unless they knew their victims schedule purposely so it appears as we all think........they were targeted, whoever came up, the D"s or Mrs D, felt unthreatened for whatever reason............can't wait for next episode
    Yesterdays swornpodcast............newly gleaned information or atleast clarity............Mr D was in his t shirt boxers, robe and slippers, the cut was along his t shirt neck line he was wearing....
    Man on the lawn was a white male and was seen saturday afternoon, no exact time was given, had it been early it could have been Mr Dermond but he was in pj's still when found, its likely one of the perps, since no one has come forward it must be someone involved in the murders....and was likely not Mr D as it appeared they'd all just risen which would surely be before afternoon time..........
    She was taken by boat, no doubt to the location she was found, the body cannot float that far in the river, it would have moved no more than 100 yds in the lakes condition and her being anchored, the cinder blocks were wrapped in netting, likely fishnet?, or unless a lawn man, maybe bird netting?, and blocks were 60 lbs.....
    allegedly a concrete man on their to do list for repairing driveway was never called by the D's, he would have cinder blocks but no motive there likely......
    nothing was taken, so now we know there were things of value and some cash in the house still there when the body was discovered.....
    Kitchen door was the door unlocked when the friends 2 miles away (who attended derby party) came by and searched the house, they were waiting on front porch when the cops arrived.....SS says there was no disturbance of crime scene by friends, (i would think fingerprints on doors maybe would be), SS says they have a truckload of prints taken from home but stated very few cases are solved on fingerprints alone......still.........
    Garage door was shut, house was completely undisturbed (i had heard/read that a lampshade was askew but dont know if that was true)
    closets were immaculate so nothing likely stolen there
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    questions still .....

    Clearly someone came to purposely kill them as we've all concluded
    Who would gain?
    Did she know them?
    was she lured to the dock and hit? possibly not since it was daylight
    Did she unlock the kitchen door for them to enter?
    Had the man on the lawn scene by neighbors on cove, possibly just arrived?? was he dark haired or gray haired?
    Being lakeside, did they come by boat? no mention of suspicious boat
    Clearly they knew THE D's friends would be at the derby part or preparing for that event and that they had no RIDE with friends to the party and that they'd be home alone with no guests arriving and no weekend visitors and that the neighbor next door was in ASIA
    Perps knew no one would stop by during the time of the party
    Did they hang around all day to carry her to the boat that maybe came back later to pick them up as lingering in the cove all day would be suspicious
    Did they arrive by car knowing that they had no neighbors that weekend since neighbors on left were in Asia
    Did the perps have to give a name and ID to enter at gate, IF NOT, no problems leaving with a body since you dont check in at gate when you leave
    Easier to come by boat without anyone checking ID or seeing car and tag number
    The perps knew the first 48 was most critical why i feel they confused the case by the beheading and abduction, both have caused great confusion to this case
    Did the daughter ever call the D's after the Derby was over to chat about this since she was there not 2 weeks ago and is a big derby fan and traveled to KY to this years KY Derby event?
    There was an anwered email on friday but did any family email them after the derby event and if never receiving a reply, did they try to call?
    Sorry for the long post, Im sure ive left something out BUT

    IT'S CLEAR THAT WHOEVER PLANNED THIS HAD DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE D'S SITUATION FOR THAT WEEKEND AND THAT THE PERPS WOULD NOT BE DISTURBED DURING THE COMMISSION OF THIS CRIME

    WHO... MIGHT have KNOWN ALL THIS PERTINENT INFORMATION ON THE D'S FOR THAT DAY?

    I think we all know ..........or atleast highly suspect

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    Did the Dermond's take the boat out at any time the week before the murders?
    A possible ruse to use to get Shirley to the dock was that someone came and said they left something in the boat from a trip together.
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    [QUOTE=dancinunderthemoon;13441110]Yesterdays swornpodcast............newly gleaned information or atleast clarity............Mr D was in his t shirt boxers, robe and slippers, the cut was along his t shirt neck line he was wearing....
    Man on the lawn was a white male and was seen saturday afternoon, no exact time was given, had it been early it could have been Mr Dermond but he was in pj's still when found, its likely one of the perps, since no one has come forward it must be someone involved in the murders....and was likely not Mr D as it appeared they'd all just risen which would surely be before afternoon time..........
    She was taken by boat, no doubt to the location she was found, the body cannot float that far in the river, it would have moved no more than 100 yds in the lakes condition and her being anchored, the cinder blocks were wrapped in netting, likely fishnet?, or unless a lawn man, maybe bird netting?, and blocks were 60 lbs.....
    allegedly a concrete man on their to do list for repairing driveway was never called by the D's, he would have cinder blocks but no motive there likely......
    nothing was taken, so now we know there were things of value and some cash in the house still there when the body was discovered.....
    Kitchen door was the door unlocked when the friends 2 miles away (who attended derby party) came by and searched the house, they were waiting on front porch when the cops arrived.....SS says there was no disturbance of crime scene by friends, (i would think fingerprints on doors maybe would be), SS says they have a truckload of prints taken from home but stated very few cases are solved on fingerprints alone......still.........
    Garage door was shut, house was completely undisturbed (i had heard/read that a lampshade was askew but dont know if that was true)
    closets were immaculate so nothing likely stolen there

    It would also be interesting to know who was at that party. Was it only people from inside the gated community or did others also attend. Those people would also know the Dermonds plans for weekend possibly. I think whoever did this was hired so could it have been someone also attending the party that wanted revenge and also to send others a message. I just still feel that there is a message being sent in this murder and just don't see how someone in the family would need to do that. Still not convinced at this point, and also if the daughter is attending the derby, she is probably doing some other things, some touring, shopping, a little mini - vacation and had planned to call them early week, but do we know she did not call? I just have this feeling that we are missing something that may be right under some noses...

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by charminglane View Post
    Did the Dermond's take the boat out at any time the week before the murders?
    A possible ruse to use to get Shirley to the dock was that someone came and said they left something in the boat from a trip together.
    The Dermonds dont have a boat


  11. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancinunderthemoon View Post
    Yesterdays swornpodcast............newly gleaned information or atleast clarity............Mr D was in his t shirt boxers, robe and slippers, the cut was along his t shirt neck line he was wearing....
    Man on the lawn was a white male and was seen saturday afternoon, no exact time was given, had it been early it could have been Mr Dermond but he was in pj's still when found, its likely one of the perps, since no one has come forward it must be someone involved in the murders....and was likely not Mr D as it appeared they'd all just risen which would surely be before afternoon time..........
    She was taken by boat, no doubt to the location she was found, the body cannot float that far in the river, it would have moved no more than 100 yds in the lakes condition and her being anchored, the cinder blocks were wrapped in netting, likely fishnet?, or unless a lawn man, maybe bird netting?, and blocks were 60 lbs.....
    allegedly a concrete man on their to do list for repairing driveway was never called by the D's, he would have cinder blocks but no motive there likely......
    nothing was taken, so now we know there were things of value and some cash in the house still there when the body was discovered.....
    Kitchen door was the door unlocked when the friends 2 miles away (who attended derby party) came by and searched the house, they were waiting on front porch when the cops arrived.....SS says there was no disturbance of crime scene by friends, (i would think fingerprints on doors maybe would be), SS says they have a truckload of prints taken from home but stated very few cases are solved on fingerprints alone......still.........
    Garage door was shut, house was completely undisturbed (i had heard/read that a lampshade was askew but dont know if that was true)
    closets were immaculate so nothing likely stolen there

    It would also be interesting to know who was at that party. Was it only people from inside the gated community or did others also attend. Those people would also know the Dermonds plans for weekend possibly. I think whoever did this was hired so could it have been someone also attending the party that wanted revenge and also to send others a message. I just still feel that there is a message being sent in this murder and just don't see how someone in the family would need to do that. Still not convinced at this point, and also if the daughter is attending the derby, she is probably doing some other things, some touring, shopping, a little mini - vacation and had planned to call them early week, but do we know she did not call? I just have this feeling that we are missing something that may be right under some noses...
    Lawdog, each time SS speaks, it brings more questions than answers.....no we dont know she didnt call or email....I dont want to think it was family but I also dont know that whoever killed them got carried away and did the beheading of their own accord, they have to protect themselves too, could have been beheaded to conceal evidence on or in the skull/head, but find it hard to believe they would do that when all that cutting is likely to lend more dna from the killers..........these were questions that had arisen while listening to the cast...........im not convinced of anything, still brainstorming, i go back and forth on the who and why

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawdog99 View Post

    Lawdog, each time SS speaks, it brings more questions than answers.....no we dont know she didnt call or email....I dont want to think it was family but I also dont know that whoever killed them got carried away and did the beheading of their own accord, they have to protect themselves too, could have been beheaded to conceal evidence on or in the skull/head, but find it hard to believe they would do that when all that cutting is likely to lend more dna from the killers..........these were questions that had arisen while listening to the cast...........im not convinced of anything, still brainstorming, i go back and forth on the who and why
    good question about the party

  13. #43
    I was just listening to the live newsfeed on sworn fb page.....questions..............it was mentioned that Mr Dermonds body was moved, in an early original article it stated a few feet his body was moved............people speculated he may have been killed in another location and brought to the garage.............now they are saying, which I THINK is new information on how they knew he was moved.......apparently Mr Dermond's feet were dragged through blood on teh garage floor and that he was not killed where he lay or even in the garage, according to holloways interpretation anyway..........................SO WHOSE BLOOD IF NOT MR DERMONDS BLOOD ON THE GARAGE FLOOR WAS HE DRAGGED THROUGH?

  14. #44
    Seems the swornpodcast is only there to sing SS praises yet he feels he is the ONLY person to solve this crime............i beg to differ...........and Mr Phillip Holloway is talking out of both sides of his mouth, one ..saying how much SS has done and in other podcasts, link below, they discuss good investigative skills and one is to share with the public, that the public solves crimes....yet since this podcast we are only just now finding out that it was a WHITE MALE on the lawn of the Dermonds yet the public is the ones expected to call in for that infamous call that ss is waiting for to solve this crime..........is there more about this man on the lawn? I know he was hard to see but the witnesses were able to discern it was a male, did they not see his hair color? It was stated they thought it was probalby Mr D, so was he gray headed? Also, Holloway in his swornpodcast said this crime was likely extortion gone bad that they robbers came for big cash............YET IT WAS SATURDAY, MOST BANKS ARE CLOSED and if open, close at noon on saturday.............what a stupid robber, then they behead him............it doesnt make sense, if it was a weekday it would make better sense

    ANOTHER thing, that i mentioned earlier post, if no one was murdered in the garage and Mr D was dragged through the blood as was told by the podcast and SS, then WHOSE blood was in the garage?

    I think he was killed in the garage, he was turned to place his body for beheading, probably a cramped garage with 2 cars in it, the cast said he was near the garage door and towels were around his shoulders where blood would not run out under the garage door, which was closed, and which can be seen from the street if anyone was down that dead end street, they were the last house..........There was also a blob of blood as if the head was sat down on the garage floor, once again Holloway is saying he was not murdered where he lay, probably somewhere else entirely...talking out of both sides of his mouth.....then why was the head there draining blood? Whose blood was in the garage? Why drag him AFTER you have beheaded him? where did they drag him from or to?
    I would like to know which way his upper body was turned, if drag marks are going IN the garage or drag marks going towards the driveway out of the garage?

    I can't figure this one out?
    but saturday extortion for cash when banks are closed??

    and
    drag marks thru the blood in garage tells me he was beheaded there, maybe hit outside the garage but no blood would be in there if beheaded elsewhere too

    IM CONFUSED

    Lawdog did you find out who the guests were at the party?

    interesting information discussed about 8:00 minutes and blunders in the tara case that remind me of this one in some ways, of course we know SS has done quite a bit but it stopped and he's waiting for a phone call, give us more information, turn it over to a cold case investigator or something! The public solves crimes,help us help, what else can we know?
    http://www.upandvanished.com/case-evidence
    Last edited by dancinunderthemoon; 06-17-2017 at 08:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancinunderthemoon View Post
    The Dermonds dont have a boat
    Okay, then let's turn it around.
    Were the Dermond's on anyone else's boat the week or day before the murders, where someone could use a ruse that they left something on it to meet them at the dock? We don't now anything about what they had done the day before the murder, do we?
    It's been so long I don't remember anything.
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