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Thread: FL - Altoona (Lake Dorr), WhtFem 126UFFL, 17-20, "Here Comes Trouble" TShirt, Apr'84

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    FL - Altoona (Lake Dorr), WhtFem 126UFFL, 17-20, "Here Comes Trouble" TShirt, Apr'84

    She had reddish brown hair and weighed about 100 pounds.

    Her petite frame was dressed in a black T-shirt with "Here Comes Trouble" on the front and a nightshirt with "Have You Kissed Your Child Tonite?"

    For 21 years, no one has known her name, why she was slain and who left her in the Ocala National Forest near Lake Dorr north of Umatilla.

    Lake County investigators suspect an admitted serial killer serving life in an Arkansas prison may know something about the case.

    But Michael Ronning, 48, isn't talking.

    The case goes back to April 18, 1984, when a man found the woman's remains in the Lake Dorr recreation area in the national forest. She had been dead for two to four weeks, and animals had scattered her remains.

    A break in the case came almost 18 years later when the news show Dateline NBC did a story about Ronning in February 2002.

    In Dateline's research, the producers found a traffic ticket that was issued April 17, 1984, to Ronning by Umatilla police for not having a valid drivers license. The show alerted Lake detectives about its findings and asked if they had any unsolved homicides.

    That's when Lake County investigators first heard about Ronning and began investigating.
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...eadlines-state
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    The Doe Network's listing for the Jane Doe described above:
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/126uffl.html
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    Thanks PT, that was quick!
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    I'm not at all happy with this match... Leslie is 3" taller, 4 years older was from California, and abducted in January... if it is her, maybe someone else abducted her, kept her for a bit, then brought her to Florida? ...or not


    Jane Doe on left and right, Leslie Anne Porter in center.
    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/220dfca.html

    Leslie Anne Porter

    Missing since January 19, 1984 from West Covina, Los Angeles County, California.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics
    * Date Of Birth: November 1, 1959
    * Age at Time of Disappearance: 24 years old
    * Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 122 lbs.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; hazel eyes.
    * Marks, Scars: Porter has a mole on the right side of her face just above her mouth.
    * Clothing: She was last seen wearing a red, hooded sweatshirt with heart-shaped, rainbow buttons.
    * Dentals: Available

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    Ok I have problems with this match too. Terrie is 3" taller, she was possibly travelling to Louisianna... so Florida is not that far off. It doesn't leave much time though between the disappearance on April 1st and finding the body April 14th - it this is Terrie she would have had to have been killed almost immediately.

    Jane Doe doesn't have any mention of a chipped tooth (although she may have one but its just not mentioned). Finally Terrie is listed as a Blonde, but both photos on the Doe Network show DARK hair??????



    Jane Doe on left, Terrie Lynn Hefner on right

    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/116dftx.html

    Terrie Lynn Hefner
    Missing since April 1, 1984
    from Dallas, Dallas County, Texas.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    # Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: August 11, 1964
    # Age at Time of Disappearance: 19 years old
    # Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5; 120 pounds
    # Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; brown eyes.
    # Marks, Scars: A mole on right cheek.
    # AKA: Terrie Davis
    # Dentals: Hefner has a chipped front tooth.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Hefner was a resident of Texas when she disappeared in April 1984. She was last seen in Dallas, Texas. Hefner may have traveled to Louisiana.

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    I have some trouble with the lips and chin on the reconstruction number 2. They just don't look right. I wonder if the calculations were correct on that.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Joyce was last seen in January, which gives her lots of time to go to Florida from California. She's 1 year older than the estimate, and 3 inches taller. There is no mention of a tattoo on Jane Doe, unfortunately it may have been on a part of the body that was no longer visible.

    Although it is a really bad photo of Joyce it does match the sketch really well.


    Jane Doe on Left, Evelyn Joyce McDowell on right

    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/871dfca.html

    Evelyn Joyce McDowell
    Missing since January 19, 1984
    from Woodland, Yolo County, California.
    Classification: Missing

    Vital Statistics
    * Date Of Birth: September 28, 1962
    * Age at Time of Disappearance: 21 years old
    * Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5" (165 cm); 115 lbs. (52 kg)
    * Dentals: Available.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
    * Tattoos: Tattoo on left shoulder of a small blue heart.
    * Clothing: Blue denim jeans, dark oxford shoes, light colored shirt, and possibly a blue jacket.
    * Dentals: Available
    * AKA: Joyce McDowell

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    McDowell was last seen in front of the Yolo County Social Services office on West Main St. in Woodland, CA on January 19, 1984.

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    Wow, that sketch is almost a dead ringer for McDowell. The only difference I see is the lips. And like I said, I don't think in the reconstruct that the lips look right, like maybe the calculations are a bit off. It is less noticable in the sketch.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    I have trouble with the sketch and reconstruction too.... both representations show someone much older than the estimated 17-20 age.

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    Lisa Marie would have been 17 years old in 1984. She is listed as having red hair - so the reddish brown description for Jane Doe matches. I think the faces really match. Problem is Lisa Marie is listed as 5'8" which is 6 inches taller than Jane Doe!



    Jane Doe on left, Lisa Marie Sexton on right

    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/4dfoh.html

    Lisa Marie Sexton
    Missing since May 1, 1981 from Elyria, Lorain County, Ohio.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    # Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: May 10, 1966
    # Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
    # Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8" (173 cm); 125 lbs (57 kg)
    # Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Red hair; blue eyes.
    # Marks, Scars: She has a scar on her left cheek.
    # Dentals: Available. Her teeth were in near-perfect condition at the time of her disappearance.
    # Other: DNA available.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Sexton left her Ohio home on May 1, 1981 with her boyfriend, a known drug dealer. He later returned without her and is since deceased. Sexton was last known to be in Tampa, Florida and may have traveled to Mexico. Her mother told authorities that she last heard from her daughter in 1984.

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    Sally was last seen in February so she'd have enough time to travel to Florida, from California. She's 6 years older than the estimated age, and 2" taller.



    Jane Doe on left, Sally Anne Schneider on right

    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/745dfca.html

    Sally Anne Schneider
    Missing since February 18, 1984
    from San Anselmo, Marin County, California.
    Classification: Missing

    Vital Statistics
    * Date Of Birth: May 6, 1957
    * Age at Time of Disappearance: 26 years old
    * Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 130 pounds
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; hazel eyes.
    * Clothing: Grey tweed jacket, purple blouse, plaid purple pants, blue canvas shoes.
    * Dentals: Available

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    It might just be the photo of Kimberley but I thought she looked a lot like the sketch. She disappeared a full year before though. She is 1" shorter and two years older than the estimated age. Also she would have had to travel from Maryland to Florida.



    Jane Doe on left, Kimberly Christine Mileo on right

    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/588dfmd.html

    Kimberly Christine Mileo
    Missing since June 9, 1983 from Croom, Prince Georges County, Maryland.
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    # Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: June 12, 1962
    # Age at Time of Disappearance: 21 years old
    # Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'11; 98 lbs.
    # Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Light brown, shoulder length hair; brown eyes. Slender build.
    # Clothing: Mileo was last seen wearing a white tube top, black shorts, white sandals, and was carrying a white wind breaker jacket.

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    The fact that she was dressed in a t shirt and nightshirt is a little confusing.
    But the night shirt makes me think she was either abducted from home at night, or she was homeless.
    Ronnings pattern seems to have been to abduct the women and take them back to his "comfort zone" somewhere in the woods near his homes. There isn't enough info in the article to show any patterns about where he abducts them. The article posted in the crime news may show more. I will check it.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Melissa Jackson, 16, who disappeared from a Grand Prairie apartment building in Aug. 12, 1983.
    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....10c08aa3.html
    No mention on the others, of where he abducted them from. I would guess though that since his pattern of dumping is so strong, that probably his pattern of abduction would also be similiar.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


    "Just when the caterpillar thought its world was over, it became a butterfly" ~ Michelle Knight

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    Josephine fits the profile almost exactly.... except she disappeared from Oklahoma 6 months before Jane Doe was found in Florida.



    Jane Doe on left, Josephine Yvette Cogburn on right

    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/98dfok.html

    Josephine Yvette Cogburn
    Missing since October 2, 1983 from Broken Bow, McCurtain County, Oklahoma.
    Classification: Non-Family Abduction

    # Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: April 10, 1967
    # Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
    # Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'1"; 128 pounds
    # Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Josephine and her younger sister, Joyce, were staying with an adult male friend of their family in October 1983. The friend claims that both Josephine and her sister ran away from him. Neither girl has been seen or heard from since. Police suspect that foul play was involved.

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    Patricia is 3" taller and 5 years older than the estimates for Jane Doe



    Jane Doe on left, Patricia Louise Kelley on right

    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1785dftn.html


    Patricia Louise Kelley
    Missing since August 19, 1983
    from Cleveland, Bradley County, Tennessee
    Classification: Missing

    Vital Statistics
    * Age at Time of Disappearance: 25 years old
    * Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6"; 135 lbs.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Patricia Kelley was last seen on August 19, 1983, at a residence on Wildwood Avenue, Cleveland, Tennessee. She may have traveled to High Springs or Cross City, Florida but nothing surfaced to indicate foul play in her disappearance. She has two daughters that were left behind

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    I'm going to stop here for now....

    I originally thought I wouldn't find many matches to the composite - wow was I wrong... I could actually continue as there are more... but no exact matches.

    I agree about the clothing... it seems that it was very casual attire.....

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    One more thing... there are 2 people on the Doe Network that are listed as missing from Ocala National Forest, plus our Jane Doe and a John Doe.... oddly enough 2 of the people have the same face shape (specifically the chin) as Jane Doe.


    Number 1 2 3 4

    Photo #1
    Unidentified Man, suicide, 1997
    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/281umfl.html

    Photo #2
    Unidentified Jane Doe, Homicide, 1984
    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/126uffl.html

    Photo #3
    Pamela Ann Nater
    Missing since October 2, 1966, Disappearance
    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1497dffl.html

    Photo #4
    Nancy Leichner
    Missing since October 2, 1966, Disappearance
    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1498dffl.html
    **Note Nancy's face doesn't match the shape, she disappeared with Pamela Ann Nater.


    ... don't know what it means. Maybe nothing, just coincidence.

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    Both the sketch and the reconstruction show a broad chin, and heavy or broad jawline. I wonder how close the age estimate is. I have noticed that the jawline seems to get heavier with time, I wonder if this woman could be older than the estimated age. I know they check the growth plates on the skeleton to estimate the age, but there are always the persons who fall outside the standard specs. She was somewhat short, so maybe she was a late bloomer who hadn't had her final growth spurt yet.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    FL - Altoona - Female 126UFFL, 1984 - "Here Comes Trouble" shirt

    I also asked if this could be a possible match to Lisa Marie Sexton which is in the cold case thread but didn't get a response from anyone. I figured I would move it here.


    https://identifyus.org/cases/6037

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/126uffl.html



    The victim was discovered on April 14, 1984 in Altoona, Lake County, Florida
    Estimated Date of Death: 2-4 weeks prior to discovery
    Partially skeletonized Remains, advanced state of decomposition
    Cause of Death was Homicide


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    Vital Statistics


    Estimated age: 17-20 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 60.5-61.5"; weight unknown
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Reddish brown hair; unknown eye color
    Dentals: Available
    Clothing: Wrangler blue jeans; tan canvas shoes with blue trim; tan panties with brown trim; black t-shirt with "Here Comes Trouble"; a white or cream beach shirt or night shirt with "Have You Kissed Your Child Tonight". 15 inch metal necklace chain.
    Fingerprints: Available


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    Case History
    The victim was located in a wooded area off of a foot path, off a dirt road, approximately 3 miles north of Highway 42 and approximately 1/4 mile east of Highway 19, in the Lake Dorr Recreation area, in Ocala National Forest.



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    Missing since May 1, 1981 from Elyria, Lorain County, Ohio.
    Classification: Endangered Missing



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    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: May 10, 1966
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8" (173 cm); 125 lbs (57 kg)
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Red hair; blue eyes.
    Marks, Scars: She has a scar on her left cheek.
    Dentals: Available. Her teeth were in near-perfect condition at the time of her disappearance.
    Other: DNA available.


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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4dfoh.html

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/sexton_lisa.html

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Sexton left her Ohio home on May 1, 1981 with her boyfriend, a known drug dealer. He later returned without her and is since deceased. Sexton was last known to be in Tampa, Florida and may have traveled to Mexico. Her mother told authorities that she last heard from her daughter in 1984.

    Lisa's mom last spoke with her in 1984 - UID was found in April 1984/ UID Time of Death was 2-4 wks prior
    Last known to be in Tampa Florida, UID was found in Altoona FL (which is about a two hr drive)
    Look at the hair part to Lisa and the UID... I think it looks the same...
    In 1984 Lisa would have been 17 - The UID is listed to be between 17-20 yr old - Hair color matches up also (or close)
    The only thing that makes me wonder is the height. Lisa's height is listed at
    5'8, The UID on The Doe Network is listed at 5" - 5'1 and the UID on Namus is listed at 5'6 and it is estimated...

    Please Give me feedback! I would really appreciate it!
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    I definitely see some similarity between the reconstruction of the UID and Lisa. The boyfriend's ties to Florida are also interesting.

    I think it would be worth finding out if these two were ever compared.

    I noticed on the Doe Network page they list Lisa's height as 5'8" & then as 173 cm. I plugged 173 cm into an online coversion thingie and it converted to 5.6758530184 feet. That's less than 5'8".
    The height inconsistencies through all reports make me think you can't rely on the height as the decider here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessunlil View Post
    I definitely see some similarity between the reconstruction of the UID and Lisa. The boyfriend's ties to Florida are also interesting.

    I think it would be worth finding out if these two were ever compared.

    I noticed on the Doe Network page they list Lisa's height as 5'8" & then as 173 cm. I plugged 173 cm into an online coversion thingie and it converted to 5.6758530184 feet. That's less than 5'8".
    The height inconsistencies through all reports make me think you can't rely on the height as the decider here.
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    I agree with the height issue too..

    I am going to contact the person listed on the Namus site to see if they were compared before.

    Let you know if I hear anything back!

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    I received an email back from Dona Faber from Marion County who is in charge of this case:

    Dear Janell- I spoke with the Lake County Sheriff’s office in reference to your e-mail and connection to Lisa Sexton and I was advised by Assistant Inv. Lynn DeWitt that this person and the unknown had already been compared and it was not a match.

    Thanks and sorry,

    Dona



    Man, who are all these unidentified people and where are all these missing people???

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    Fresh link to UID (archived DOE Network)

    http://web.archive.org/web/200610070...s/126uffl.html

    4 reconstruction pic boxes with red "x", were there ever any there?
    This is when I wish the pic's were just copied and pasted to here.
    So many broken links, sad.

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