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    OH - Kathryn, 54, & James Stockdale, 21, shot to death, Stark Co., 15 June 2017

    This is a very religious, conservative, home-schooling, bluegrass playing family of four sons. Not allowed to date, watch t.v., etc. They were featured on Wifeswap in 2008.

    One of the boys, Jacob, 25, killed his younger brother James, 21 (the youngest) and murdered his mother before turning the gun on himself. I believe he may still be alive.

    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/wife-swap-stockdale-family-murder-son-allegedly-kills-mom-brother-w488446


    Here is a video of their family: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-LoYMumzGcvLxg
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    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

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    Family band was featured on "Wife Swap" before musician allegedly killed mom, brother

    An Ohio family band member suspected of killing his mother and brother was in critical condition Friday at a Cleveland hospital after shooting himself in the head, authorities said.

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    Wifeswap episode Stockdale/Tonkovic

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    Is it just me or does anyone else think that maybe they might have been a bit too strict and the older son just lost control of his mind. MOO.

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    There was a family manual that they posted online which has been since taken down along with the whole website. Crazy stuff. Extremely controlling. Every waking hour was controlled. They weren't allowed to play or daydream. Ever.
    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

    *Gitana (means "Gypsy girl"). Pronounced "hee tah nah."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meryl12 View Post
    Is it just me or does anyone else think that maybe they might have been a bit too strict and the older son just lost control of his mind. MOO.
    This reminded me of the family in Oklahoma - same strict environment, same isolation - except those sons didn't try to kill themselves.

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    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

    *Gitana (means "Gypsy girl"). Pronounced "hee tah nah."

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    It may take some time to see it, but... "control" is the core of extremism... and that ain't good. (JMO)

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    Sunday's dinner menu looks good though:
    Link sausage on bread with sauerkraut and mustard and pickled beets.

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    Ive edited this bc im not sure of what im saying is victim bashing. If it is then please delete. But, i rhink this was part of the wife swap controversy so idk. .I think mom may have been etremely controlling. Her children are not allowed to date until they're ready to get married. She and her husband rarely disagree except in regards to staying on a large farm bc he has to take on jobs away from the farm to sustain it...I bet he does, I would too if one controlled my every waking hour. They were not allowed to "hang out", her children don't hang out bc she has strict and structured schedules, designed by mom. She did not want them to be influenced by the outside world/21 century. This MOO is setting a child up for disaster. What happens when they are forced to deal with the real world? We aren't talking about 8 year old kids. These are teenagers. That level of control never leads to a good outcome....this is sad for everybody involved. She says in her control manifesto that she cooks bc it has to be done right, therefore she always cooks and their days are scheduled/centered around the 3 meals she cooks..yikes. (JMO)

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    Those poor kids. It makes me wonder why some parents are that controlling. They say it is to protect their kids, but that's so misguided.
    The truth is rarely pure and never simple. - Oscar Wilde

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    Mom certainly was a control freak. She had the whole family under such an extreme level of control that this seemed to be the only way to "break free". It was mom who couldn't fit into the 21st century so she created her own little world and used extreme force to keep her family as captives in her world. This was the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meryl12 View Post
    Mom certainly was a control freak. She had the whole family under such an extreme level of control that this seemed to be the only way to "break free". It was mom who couldn't fit into the 21st century so she created her own little world and used extreme force to keep her family as captives in her world. This was the outcome.
    Don't get me wrong, a lot of the sentiments the family professed, like family togetherness and unity, a love of music, not focusing on gadgets and tv, eating healthy, unprocessed foods, etc., are great. But the aspect of utter control of every bit of their waking hours is just crazy.

    I think that level of control and keeping kids away from any outside influence is abot the parents' insecurities or mental health issues or desires to dominate and it can backfire horribly:

    "LEISURE AND SOCIAL LIFE

    What do you do as a family?
    Life is not about entertainment and fun. I do not promote a lot of leisure time for the boys. A lot of emphasis in the teen world is placed on hanging out with friends. We do not hang out. I insist that the boys have a focus and purpose to any activity so that the boys do not become corrupted by meaningless relationships.

    Do your kids have their own social life outside of the family?
    The boys don't hang out at malls. If they socialize it is through useful and wholesome activities like debate class where they learn life long communication skills in a fun environment. The boys have made some good friends though debate class with other home schooled children and occasionally get together here at our home to discuss speech and debate topics with one another.
    How much of a role do friends play in your life?
    My family is the cornerstone of my life. I teach the boys that you need to work together to achieve anything in this world."
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    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

    *Gitana (means "Gypsy girl"). Pronounced "hee tah nah."

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitana1 View Post
    Don't get me wrong, a lot of the sentiments the family professed, like family togetherness and unity, a love of music, not focusing on gadgets and tv, eating healthy, unprocessed foods, etc., are great. But the aspect of utter control of every bit of their waking hours is just crazy.

    I think that level of control and keeping kids away from any outside influence is abot the parents' insecurities or mental health issues or desires to dominate and it can backfire horribly:

    "LEISURE AND SOCIAL LIFE

    The boys have made some good friends though debate class with other home schooled children and occasionally get together here at our home to discuss speech and debate topics with one another.

    How much of a role do friends play in your life?
    My family is the cornerstone of my life. I teach the boys that you need to work together to achieve anything in this world."
    Her thinking is revealed in that text. The children's friends in debate class even had to have their meetings at her place so she could control those friends, debate class was in her control. Also she didn't have any friends only her family. Her only friends were her family. It was her mental health that is the issue here.

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    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

    *Gitana (means "Gypsy girl"). Pronounced "hee tah nah."

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