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    Quote Originally Posted by Steleheart View Post
    "Chronic abuse of this drug can lead to psychotic behavior including paranoia, insomnia, anxiety, aggressiveness, delusions, and hallucinations. More than a fifth of meth addicts develop a 6 month or longer psychosis that resembles schizophrenia upon quitting meth. The overwhelming majority of meth in the US comes from superlabs in California and Mexico and more than 50 million people worldwide abuse this drug.

    Addiction to this drug has consequences that are apparent and this is why meth users are often called derogatory terms like meth head, speed freak, etc. Very common among the visually apparent causes of meth abuse are meth sores and meth mites."

    "Meth mites are the effects of the hallucinations experienced by meth users which makes them feel as though there were mites or bugs crawling under their skin. Meth mites are not real but rather they are a side effect of the chemicals present in methamphetamines that cause the skin to dry out. The obsessive picking of the skin as a result of this ‘bug’ hallucination is what results in meth sores. "
    https://addictionresource.com/drugs/...th/meth-sores/
    Like Lilibet I also wondered if maybe she got the sores from
    the "struggle". But my first thought was meth.
    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitana1 View Post
    Wow. Thanks for all that info. I was pretty angry with the bystanders as well. Good to know that wasn't the case.
    I was upset about the bystanders too, Gitana. It's a good lesson in not rushing to judgement without all the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gitana1 View Post
    Like Lilibet I also wondered if maybe she got the sores from
    the "struggle". But my first thought was meth.
    When a mother is uncharacteristically callous in any way toward her child(ren) I always think of meth. Very nice people turn into monsters on meth, and this wouldn't be the first Humboldt county mother to either neglect or abuse her children while using meth. It's a horrible drug.

    If she was using meth, I have to wonder if her depresson could have eventually led to using it. Her family mentioned manic behavior starting after she stopped antidepressants. The fact that she had also been taking an anti-seizure medication indicates bipolar disorder because it's often prescribed with antidepressants for bipolar. In a depressed state which would follow a manic phase, S elf-medicating with readily available meth would be very tempting. I'm in no way excusing her torture of her defenseless daughter, but I do expect that we will hear more about mental health issues in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilibet View Post
    When a mother is uncharacteristically callous in any way toward her child(ren) I always think of meth. Very nice people turn into monsters on meth, and this wouldn't be the first Humboldt county mother to either neglect or abuse her children while using meth. It's a horrible drug.

    If she was using meth, I have to wonder if her depresson could have eventually led to using it. Her family mentioned manic behavior starting after she stopped antidepressants. The fact that she had also been taking an anti-seizure medication indicates bipolar disorder because it's often prescribed with antidepressants for bipolar. In a depressed state which would follow a manic phase, S elf-medicating with readily available meth would be very tempting. I'm in no way excusing her torture of her defenseless daughter, but I do expect that we will hear more about mental health issues in the future.
    Or she could simply be psychotic from untreated bi-polar disorder.
    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

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    According to Humboldt County courthouse records, Kimberly Felder filed for divorce against her husband Gregory Felder in June 2015 over “irreconcilable differences.” She requested sole custody of their three daughters, an 11-year-old, a 13-year-old and a 14-year-old, with no visitation rights for the father and $1,000 per month per child in child support payments, according to court documents.


    “They weren’t with her,” Swithenbank said of the other two daughters in regards to the incident on the beach last week. “They were out of danger.”

    http://www.times-standard.com/articl...NEWS/170619858

    “The worst thing was when we got the child away and into the sheriff’s truck, she said people drove by and nobody stopped,” Marciel told AP. “When you see something like this, it shakes your foundation and faith in people.”
    Sheriff’s officials hailed Marciel for his heroism, crediting him with helping to save the youngster’s life.
    “If it were not for the intervention and heroic actions of John Marciel, it is very likely that the child would have been killed by Felder,” the release stated. “The Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office would like to offer special thanks for his assistance.”

    http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/06/19/m...ifornia-beach/

    so no crowd of inactive bystanders but passersby in cars that did nothing? Lots of conflicting reports. What seems consistent throughout is that this woman brutally attacked her child and the child may well have been dead if not for the intervention by John Marciel
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    Probably from when her face was on the ground getting arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gitana1 View Post
    Or she could simply be psychotic from untreated bi-polar disorder.
    Yes, that too if she stopped taking meds, as it appears she was doing several years ago. Bipolar disorder is so tricky to treat and going off meds is pretty common. Of course, I'm just hypothesizing about bipolar disorder based on what her family said and the drugs she was taking several years ago. I think some kind of mental illness is involved, even if she was doing meth or something else (bath salts?). Such a tragedy.
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    Enlarging her picture in the OP it looks like her face got banged up and bruised.
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    I, too, thought the accused was on meth when this happened. Maybe needs to be exorcised from the meth demon.

    That poor little girl!
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    Poor baby


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    Couldn't of sworn there was/is a hearing today.

    No?

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    I'm not surprised that proceedings have been suspended until a court ordered psych evaluation is done. The psych report review hearing has been scheduled for July 17.

    http://www.times-standard.com/articl...NEWS/170629915
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    MISSING & PRESUMED MURDERED July 4, 2013
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    Results of today's hearing...there will be a second psych report in a month and a half from a different doctor. Felder mouthed "I love you" to a man in court.

    http://johnchiv.blogspot.com/2017/07...erly.html#more
    FOUR YEARS IS 1460 DAYS TOO LONG!!
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    STEPHANIE ANNE WARNER, 43, RUCH, OREGON

    MISSING & PRESUMED MURDERED July 4, 2013
    LENNIE AMES NAMED SUSPECT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilibet View Post
    Results of today's hearing...there will be a second psych report in a month and a half from a different doctor. Felder mouthed "I love you" to a man in court.

    http://johnchiv.blogspot.com/2017/07...erly.html#more
    ....sigh

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    Hearing for KF to be served with a CLETS protective order was continued until September 5, the same day the psychiatrist's report is due.

    http://johnchiv.blogspot.com/2017/07...der-to-be.html

    The CLETS order was requested by the DA at the last hearing...

    Deputy District Attorney Stacey Eads requested a CLETS protective order. Judge Christopher Wilson will rule on that next week.

    Even though criminal proceedings have been suspended, DDA Eads explained why she was seeking the order and Judge Wilson is looking into court authority regarding that when criminal proceedings have been suspended.


    DDA Eads cited emotional trauma, potential to disuade a witness and "concern for the minor victim and her siblings."

    http://johnchiv.blogspot.com/2017/07...berly.html?m=1

    https://www.legalmatch.com/law-libra...ing-order.html
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    LENNIE AMES NAMED SUSPECT
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