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  1. #151
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    Catching up on AGJD

    Nola you are right on in your characterization of Rick Jones. I was in contact with him just today regarding another Nevada UID; I found him to be personable and helpful, and good at follow-up. He took my initial submission all the way to its end, without me even having to contact him again for an update. Then he emailed me back to let me know the outcome [not a match, unfortunately.] After hearing all the horror stories of busy LE I was impressed by his timeliness and follow-through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse View Post
    I don't understand the use of the word "steak" used 2x to refer to female victims, nor the charge of "gross grilling assault"? Sounds like a bad joke--is there a weird string of search terms getting mixed in there?
    I really do hope it is a bad joke... Cause then a man may not have been present or committed 30 murders... Riddle’s not very a P.C type of person, so it really isn't that hard to understand the meaning of his terminology.

    The work "Steak" has many other meanings then the food:

    - A prostitute
    - A general slang word when a guy is describing female
    - Money, Cash, Green, Bread, Bank
    - Code word for porn
    - A woman's vagina
    ...

    “ A piece of meat I can do what I want with…”

    Its not my term, it’s the term Lovie Lee Riddle uses in his Diary that was found in his car when he was arrested.

    As for “gross grilling misconduct” thank you for pointing that mistake out it should read Gross Grilling Assault according to Bangor News

    Article from: Bangor Daily News Bangor, ME Article
    Date: December 28, 2002

    A story about Christmas at the Penobscot County Jail in Thursday's editions contained limited information about two inmates' criminal histories. Lovie Riddle Jr., 57, is charged with domestic assault, which is a violation of his probation for a 1989 conviction for gross grilling assault...

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    Smile

    <<<Hey Webrocket,
    I haven't gotten any recent update on the pending comparison list from last summer from my LE contact. I hope to have some new information soon as I have plans to meet in person with Nevada LE in the next month for this very purpose. I will be glad to inquire about Nadine O'Dell at that time, if you want.
    >>>


    Don't forget to mention Cynthia Gastelle as well.

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    I somehow missed all these posts about Mr. Riddle. Deeds, you highlighted in red the bit about him beating a 17 y.o. steak to death in Tennessee.

    unless he said something about Nevada, where this Henderson Arroyo Grande UID was found, what is his connection to this UID?

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    http://www.missingincalifornia.com/t...llier1979.html


    Terry Collier's missing persons case was just entered into NamUs this year and tonight I saw it for the first time. I know that the age is way off (Terry was 30 in 1979), but what if our Arroyo Grande JD was older. AGJD age range is listed as between 14-25. So this is a 6 year difference. I still think it bears a good look.

    Here's a comparison of the other physical characteristics for both cases:
    Both AGJD and Terry's height are 5'2";
    Weight for AGJD is 102; Terry's is listed as 125;
    Hair for both is reddish-brown;
    Eye color AGJD is blue/green; Terry's eye color is listed as blue.

    Terry's family thinks she was living in homeless shelters in California- that life style could explain the difference in weight.
    Terry's family lost contact with her in or after January 1979; AGJD was found in October 1980.

    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-09-2012 at 03:24 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nola View Post
    http://www.missingincalifornia.com/t...llier1979.html

    Terry Collier's case was just recently entered into NamUs this year. I know that the age is way off, but what if our Arroyo Grande JD was older.

    Take a look at this case:
    Both AGJD and Terry's height are 5'2";
    Weight for AGJD is 102; Terry's is listed as 125;
    Hair for both is reddish-brown;
    Eye color AGJD is blue/green; Terry's eye color is listed as blue.

    Terry's family think she was living in homeless shelters in California- that life style could explain the difference in weight.
    Terry's family lost contact with her in January 1979; AGJD was found in October 1980.

    Two of Terry's photos show her teeth with a pretty good view of her 7&8. I don't see any gap there.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-09-2012 at 03:24 PM.

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    Carl-
    I have always wondered how big of a gap AGJD had. I saw the dental x-rays on line and again in person but don't remember details about the gap. I am going to see if I can find the x-rays for a closer look.

    What do you think about the age difference?

    Thanks for your comments.
    But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream! -Amos 5:24

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    Quote Originally Posted by nola View Post
    What do you think about the age difference?
    I don't see AGJD as being 30 years old, but similar mistakes have been made. I've seen instances of huge discrepancies between age estimates and the actual age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I don't see AGJD as being 30 years old, but similar mistakes have been made. I've seen instances of huge discrepancies between age estimates and the actual age.
    She did have such a youthful face. I wonder if AGJD's clavicle was fused (indicating an older age) despite having such of young physical appearance?

    I edited my earlier post to add the photo with Terry smiling...I zoomed in on the shot to see if I could get any indicators of a gap between 7&8...Terry's front two teeth do look like they could be set a little in front of 8, but the photo becomes so distorted when magnified that it is just too blurry to tell.

    Terry's high school photo shows pearly whites without any noticeable gap.
    Last edited by nola; 06-04-2011 at 01:35 AM.
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    Just this afternoon I received an e-mail about this possible match. It is good to know that LE have Terry Collier's fingerprints and that NamUs will be updated.
    Here's the e-mail:

    I have requested a copy of missing person Terry Collier's (DOB: 08/25/1948 - SBCSD #011100589 - NamUs MP #9467) fingerprints for comparison with Arroyo Grande Jane Doe, Clark County Coroner #80-01221 (NamUs UP #46). We will update NamUs with the comparison results.

    Thank you for bringing this possible match to our attention.


    B Castillo
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    San Bernardino County Sheriff Department - Coroner Division
    Last edited by nola; 06-04-2011 at 08:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    I somehow missed all these posts about Mr. Riddle. Deeds, you highlighted in red the bit about him beating a 17 y.o. steak to death in Tennessee.

    unless he said something about Nevada, where this Henderson Arroyo Grande UID was found, what is his connection to this UID?
    I do realize he was quoted Tennessee but I don't believe Riddle was 100% truthful about the locations of most of his crimes. I'm confirming this at the moment with another case.

    Nevada UID is the only murder during riddle's 13 crime period I found that the COD, highway connection, etc. fit so well with Riddle's description.

    I think like most killers, they like to think they're smarter then everyone else and with that I believe he changed some details of the crimes to mislead.

    Another reason why I think there is a good possibility that the diary is real is the way that Riddle provokes within his quotes. It’s very much like other serial killers in the way that they taunted police to catch them.

    The details of the murders he does describes (i.e.: cause of death etc.) comes very close to many unsolved murders within the timeline within the 13 year period, 1975 - 1988.

    Not to mention that a lot of the murders happen along the interstate, the riding ground for many motorcycle gangs, most heavily within that time period the Outlaws motorcycle gang. The gang Riddle claims to be part of.

    In addition, if he was a member of the Outlaws, they have a ‘no talk’ rule and a don’t sell out your brothers, therefore I believe the "novel" justification was rouse.

    This is just my theory, my only concern is that Riddle is getting up there in age. I just don’t want what he has done to die with him.

    Only because if he has been present or committed up to 30 murders, the 30 victim’s families should have a right to know what happen to there loved ones and be able to give them a loving proper burial. Also the 30 victims deserve justice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nola View Post
    Carl-
    I have always wondered how big of a gap AGJD had. I saw the dental x-rays on line and again in person but don't remember details about the gap. I am going to see if I can find the x-rays for a closer look.

    What do you think about the age difference?

    Thanks for your comments.


    I couldn't find the dentals on NAMUS... Tell me what you guys see?

    Has anyone submitted Cynthia Gastelle to LE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by malaika View Post
    I couldn't find the dentals on NAMUS... Tell me what you guys see?

    Has anyone submitted Cynthia Gastelle to LE?
    The dentals are charted. There are no x-rays or dental photos available in NamUs. But in the comments section, it says:

    7 & 8 are present diastema

    "Diastema" is a fancy word for "gap". 7 and 8 are the two upper front teeth to the right (viewer's left) of the midline, so the gap is just to her right (viewer's left) of the midline.

    It also indicates that her four wisdom teeth are present and impacted, and that she has fillings in six of the eight other molars.

    She also was missing three lower right teeth (two bicuspids and one canine) postmortem, and the canine was broken off at the root tip. Apparently, these teeth were knocked out during the attack.

    As for Cynthia Gastelle, I have not submitted. I don't know if anyone else has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nola View Post
    I have let my friend at Clark County know about Cynthia Gastelle- he will take a look. He's been so busy, but will try to get us an update on the other pending CODIS matches soon.
    Thanks to all who continue to search for this young girl's identity. One day we will have the answer!

    I did send LE Cynthia Gastelle as a possible match back in April. I have not heard anything from LE about this submission.
    But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream! -Amos 5:24

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    Another rule out:

    Results of the fingerprint comparison of Terry Collier's Fingerprint
    Card and (CCOCME #80-1221) our Jane Arroya Grande Doe's Fingerprint
    Card was found not to be a match on 6/8/2011.

    I will follow up with LE about Cynthia Gastelle and Nadine O'Dell.
    But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream! -Amos 5:24

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