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    Quote Originally Posted by SeesSeas View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/u...pgtype=article
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    Many Politicians Lie. But Trump Has Elevated the Art of Fabrication.
    AUG. 7, 2017

    WASHINGTON — Whit Ayres, a Republican political consultant here, likes to tell his clients that there are “three keys to credibility.”

    “One, never defend the indefensible,” he says. “Two, never deny the undeniable. And No. 3 is: Never lie.”

    Would that politicians took his advice.

    Fabrications have long been a part of American politics. Politicians lie to puff themselves up, to burnish their résumés and to cover up misdeeds, including sexual affairs. (See: Bill Clinton.) Sometimes they cite false information for what they believe are justifiable policy reasons. (See: Lyndon Johnson and Vietnam.)

    But President Trump, historians and consultants in both political parties agree, appears to have taken what the writer Hannah Arendt once called “the conflict between truth and politics” to an entirely new level.
    […]
    In a controlled experiment, researchers showed a group of voters a misleading claim by Mr. Trump, while another group saw that claim accompanied by “corrective information” that directly contradicted what Mr. Trump had said. The group that viewed the corrections believed the new information, but seeing it did not change how they viewed Mr. Trump.
    […]
    Yes, even in this experiment it seems to suggest that the Trump supporter doesn't care if he's a pathological liar. Cult mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elley Mae View Post
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    I think Senator Blumenthal should take a nice long vacation in Vietnam, where he lied about his service, so he can at least say he was there

    Liar?

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tr...rticle/2630860

    After Blumenthal's appearance, Trump fired off a several tweets criticizing the Connecticut senator for saying he served in Vietnam when, in fact, he never did. Instead, Blumenthal received five military deferments.
    The Con always hits on in people what he sees in himself; in psychological terms it's called projection.

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    New CNN poll out tonight: only 24% believe President, White House.

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    I supported Trump in the election. I sent him money. I went to his rally. When he announced that he was running, I knew he would win. I continue to support him and will vote for him again.

    He hasn't lied. You are all being duped by the biased media which predicted a Clinton landslide. If you really want to know what he has achieved in his first 6 months in office, you should go to his website. You will be surprised.

    But, I will give you this for starters:

    Trump passed the VA Accountability Act which means that the people who work at the VA, all government employees, are no longer immune from the consequences of their laziness and incompetence which has caused multitudes of deaths and serious medical complications of veterans. You don't like that? Well, how about

    the fact that veterans can now go to the hospitals and doctors of their choosing and are not relegated to the substandard care at the VA. Can we agree that this is good?

    MS-13 is a gang from El Salvador and they enter across the southern border of Mexico to travel to the US where they can live in sanctuary cities and terrorize our citizens. 1,400 of them have been deported and more are on their way. Horrible, right? Yeah, no.

    The second quarter growth is 2.6%, up from the first quarter of 1.8%. It was never over 1% during the last administrations 8 years.

    We are out of TPP which would further destroy US manufacturing and jobs. We want jobs, right?

    We are out of the Paris Accord which would have cost us 100 trillion dollars by the end of the century and IT FOLLOWED BY ALL NATIONS TO THE LETTER would have lowered the temperature by .02% of a degree. If you haven't figured it out, this was just a scam to rob US taxpayers and give it out to elite globalists.

    Trump donates his salary to charity.

    Trump saved a billion dollars just by renegotiating a contract with Boeing. Just a billion? Just a start.

    Illegal immigration from the southern border is down to numbers like never before. You want to argue percentages? Why? 59%/75% are impressive numbers and it is all because of his tough stance on illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants cost us 175 billion every year. This money could be better spent on our own citizens, don't you think?

    You want to talk Medicaid? The ACA put people who normally would not qualify for the program on Medicaid, expanding it beyond it's intent which is to provide medical services to those in poverty. One third of all Medicaid funds are lost to fraud. Yep, 1/3 of 500 billion is stolen through fraud. So you want to put more money into it?

    Two pipelines opened. We will be exporting energy.

    Coal mines opened.

    Manufacturing increased 4.6% since Trump took office, because of the consumer confidence he has instilled in business leaders and financial institutions.

    200K new jobs hires last month. UE at a record low.

    Stock market at the highest point ever. Why should you care? Your pensions are probably loaded with stocks.

    Trump is renegotiating NAFTA which destroyed American production like nothing else could have and cost the US 70,000 manufacturers since Clinton signed it. It was a bad deal then and it didn't get better.

    Trump signed the Trade/Skills Initiative to train people for jobs that are waiting for people to fill them. Did you know that there are 6 million jobs waiting for skilled tradesmen to fill? No? Well, that is from the manufacturing associations across the country. We are full up with burger flippers but no one knows how to operate machinery in plants. Fact.

    The ACA was designed to fail. Remember the guy who wrote it said that voters were too stupid to understand how bad it was? He was telling the truth. The Senate orchestrated the reimbursement to insurance companies from the pockets of the taxpayers. Remember that? Taxpayers supporting private for-profit corporations? Guess what? The Senate does not have the power to spend money, that is strictly the province of the House.

    The ACA was the first time in US history that a citizen can be forced, under penalty of law, to purchase a product and it just so happens to be a product being sold by private corporations. You don't mind this? Kind of a slippery slope. Stop throwing away your liberty for comfort.

    Russia? Oh please. You already know that HRC signed off on selling US uranium to Russia through a third party and in exchange her phoney foundation received 135 million dollars all while she was SOS. It was all sent through a Canadian Charity because the US can not force a Canadian Charity to reveal it's donor names. You heard Obama tell Putin he would be more flexible when the election was over. You know Bill got $500K for a speech in Moscow. Some speech!

    You do know that the Russian lawyer was given special permission from Lynch herself to enter the US and to stay beyond her VISA. She is involved with Fusion GPS which was hired by the DNC to create a fake 'dossier' on Trump which was then given to McCain who gave it to the FBI and which Lynch used to get FISA warrants and unmask US Citizens illegally. Is this all just fine with you because you have a deep seated, although baseless, hatred for Trump?

    The NT and the WP have been caught publishing lies and you still use them as the source of all of your facts? Why? The bias in the media is palpable and the agenda is to select your leaders. You don't have a problem with that? Control the media, control the people. That is Hitler 101.

    Fascists want government control of everything. Trump wants individuals to rise up in their lives and less government intrusion into our lives but you call him and his supporters fascists? It is incredulous that you don't even know the definitions of the terms you use.

    I am gobmsacked at how dumbed down our society has become.

    If you are looking for the liars "keep your doctors, keep your plans", "it was because of a video", would be a great place to start.

    Trump didn't double the debt. Trump didn't pull us out of the middle east and cause the greatest amount of human suffering and largest flood of refugees we have ever witnessed. Trump didn't release GITMO terrorist to then kill Americans - which they have. Trump didn't give Iran hundreds of billions of US dollars in CASH in a secret rendevous and then allow them to have nuclear weapons. Trump didn't send Acorn to Israel to try to upset Netanyahou's election. Trump didn't announce the Arab Spring, support terrorist organizations into political power or call for the ousting of the Syrian leader. Trump didn't call ISIS 'the JV team".

    Lord have mercy but some of you are very confused and are being brainwashed by the proven liars in the media. Wake up. Trump is not your enemy. The 'democratic socialists' are. Look no further than Venezuela for proof of what happens when they put everything in government control. Venezuelans are eating their pets and road kill and being shot in the streets for protesting the newest dictator.

    I can't go on. It is useless. Read Saul Alinsky - the mentor of HRC and Obama's hero Communists. FFS read something other than memes, the NYT and WP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simba16 View Post
    New CNN poll out tonight: only 24% believe President, White House.
    Please! The same pollsters who predicted a landslide victory for Hillary? You still believe this nonsense? Come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeaTime View Post
    Please! The same pollsters who predicted a landslide victory for Hillary? You still believe this nonsense? Come on.
    Do you understand how polls work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeaTime View Post
    I supported Trump in the election. I sent him money. I went to his rally. When he announced that he was running, I knew he would win. I continue to support him and will vote for him again.

    He hasn't lied. You are all being duped by the biased media which predicted a Clinton landslide. If you really want to know what he has achieved in his first 6 months in office, you should go to his website. You will be surprised.

    But, I will give you this for starters:

    Trump passed the VA Accountability Act which means that the people who work at the VA, all government employees, are no longer immune from the consequences of their laziness and incompetence which has caused multitudes of deaths and serious medical complications of veterans. You don't like that? Well, how about

    the fact that veterans can now go to the hospitals and doctors of their choosing and are not relegated to the substandard care at the VA. Can we agree that this is good?

    MS-13 is a gang from El Salvador and they enter across the southern border of Mexico to travel to the US where they can live in sanctuary cities and terrorize our citizens. 1,400 of them have been deported and more are on their way. Horrible, right? Yeah, no.

    The second quarter growth is 2.6%, up from the first quarter of 1.8%. It was never over 1% during the last administrations 8 years.

    We are out of TPP which would further destroy US manufacturing and jobs. We want jobs, right?

    We are out of the Paris Accord which would have cost us 100 trillion dollars by the end of the century and IT FOLLOWED BY ALL NATIONS TO THE LETTER would have lowered the temperature by .02% of a degree. If you haven't figured it out, this was just a scam to rob US taxpayers and give it out to elite globalists.

    Trump donates his salary to charity.

    Trump saved a billion dollars just by renegotiating a contract with Boeing. Just a billion? Just a start.

    Illegal immigration from the southern border is down to numbers like never before. You want to argue percentages? Why? 59%/75% are impressive numbers and it is all because of his tough stance on illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants cost us 175 billion every year. This money could be better spent on our own citizens, don't you think?

    You want to talk Medicaid? The ACA put people who normally would not qualify for the program on Medicaid, expanding it beyond it's intent which is to provide medical services to those in poverty. One third of all Medicaid funds are lost to fraud. Yep, 1/3 of 500 billion is stolen through fraud. So you want to put more money into it?

    Two pipelines opened. We will be exporting energy.

    Coal mines opened.

    Manufacturing increased 4.6% since Trump took office, because of the consumer confidence he has instilled in business leaders and financial institutions.

    200K new jobs hires last month. UE at a record low.

    Stock market at the highest point ever. Why should you care? Your pensions are probably loaded with stocks.

    Trump is renegotiating NAFTA which destroyed American production like nothing else could have and cost the US 70,000 manufacturers since Clinton signed it. It was a bad deal then and it didn't get better.

    Trump signed the Trade/Skills Initiative to train people for jobs that are waiting for people to fill them. Did you know that there are 6 million jobs waiting for skilled tradesmen to fill? No? Well, that is from the manufacturing associations across the country. We are full up with burger flippers but no one knows how to operate machinery in plants. Fact.

    The ACA was designed to fail. Remember the guy who wrote it said that voters were too stupid to understand how bad it was? He was telling the truth. The Senate orchestrated the reimbursement to insurance companies from the pockets of the taxpayers. Remember that? Taxpayers supporting private for-profit corporations? Guess what? The Senate does not have the power to spend money, that is strictly the province of the House.

    The ACA was the first time in US history that a citizen can be forced, under penalty of law, to purchase a product and it just so happens to be a product being sold by private corporations. You don't mind this? Kind of a slippery slope. Stop throwing away your liberty for comfort.

    Russia? Oh please. You already know that HRC signed off on selling US uranium to Russia through a third party and in exchange her phoney foundation received 135 million dollars all while she was SOS. It was all sent through a Canadian Charity because the US can not force a Canadian Charity to reveal it's donor names. You heard Obama tell Putin he would be more flexible when the election was over. You know Bill got $500K for a speech in Moscow. Some speech!

    You do know that the Russian lawyer was given special permission from Lynch herself to enter the US and to stay beyond her VISA. She is involved with Fusion GPS which was hired by the DNC to create a fake 'dossier' on Trump which was then given to McCain who gave it to the FBI and which Lynch used to get FISA warrants and unmask US Citizens illegally. Is this all just fine with you because you have a deep seated, although baseless, hatred for Trump?

    The NT and the WP have been caught publishing lies and you still use them as the source of all of your facts? Why? The bias in the media is palpable and the agenda is to select your leaders. You don't have a problem with that? Control the media, control the people. That is Hitler 101.

    Fascists want government control of everything. Trump wants individuals to rise up in their lives and less government intrusion into our lives but you call him and his supporters fascists? It is incredulous that you don't even know the definitions of the terms you use.

    I am gobmsacked at how dumbed down our society has become.

    If you are looking for the liars "keep your doctors, keep your plans", "it was because of a video", would be a great place to start.

    Trump didn't double the debt. Trump didn't pull us out of the middle east and cause the greatest amount of human suffering and largest flood of refugees we have ever witnessed. Trump didn't release GITMO terrorist to then kill Americans - which they have. Trump didn't give Iran hundreds of billions of US dollars in CASH in a secret rendevous and then allow them to have nuclear weapons. Trump didn't send Acorn to Israel to try to upset Netanyahou's election. Trump didn't announce the Arab Spring, support terrorist organizations into political power or call for the ousting of the Syrian leader. Trump didn't call ISIS 'the JV team".

    Lord have mercy but some of you are very confused and are being brainwashed by the proven liars in the media. Wake up. Trump is not your enemy. The 'democratic socialists' are. Look no further than Venezuela for proof of what happens when they put everything in government control. Venezuelans are eating their pets and road kill and being shot in the streets for protesting the newest dictator.

    I can't go on. It is useless. Read Saul Alinsky - the mentor of HRC and Obama's hero Communists. FFS read something other than memes, the NYT and WP.
    I agree with only one of your statements: we have a very dumbed down society!

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    [QUOTE=TeaTime

    Well, how about

    the fact that veterans can now go to the hospitals and doctors of their choosing and are not relegated to the substandard care at the VA. Can we agree that this is good?
    /QUOTE]

    Since I'm a vet who receives care at the VA I'd like to address that lie. The choice program far precedes our current POTUS. As a matter of fact, the choice program us out of $$ and going away. Vets are no longer referred out. Please, stop spewing alternate facts. I know you want to emulate your dear leader but you just look foolish to the rest of us.

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    Tea time the irony of you lying on a post about the liar in chief is perfect. Oh the irony..

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    [QUOTE=mrdinicola;13549339]
    Quote Originally Posted by TeaTime

    Well, how about

    the fact that veterans can now go to the hospitals and doctors of their choosing and are not relegated to the substandard care at the VA. Can we agree that this is good?
    /QUOTE

    Since I'm a vet who receives care at the VA I'd like to address that lie. The choice program far precedes our current POTUS. As a matter of fact, the choice program us out of $$ and going away. Vets are no longer referred out. Please, stop spewing alternate facts. I know you want to emulate your dear leader but you just look foolish to the rest of us.
    Go read the truth. You've been duped by your liberal elitists into thinking they care.


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    Is there another person with the same name on WS or am I confused about this? Teatime and Tea time. Strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeaTime View Post
    I supported Trump in the election. I sent him money. I went to his rally. When he announced that he was running, I knew he would win. I continue to support him and will vote for him again.

    He hasn't lied.
    He has lied. Often. That's what he does. He told a lie every day for his first 40 days in office!

    What do you tell yourself when he says something that is later found to be untrue? Or when he contradicts himself, because he lies so often he can't keep track of what he's said?

    Please look at the evidence of the lies he's told and see what you think. I suspect your instinct will be to dismiss it all as fake news, but if you're so sure he doesn't lie there should be no harm in a little investigation. Don't be scared. I know it's hard to find out our heroes are only human, and it's got to be especially hard when it comes to someone like Donald Trump who lies as often as he does.

    Just have a look. See what you think. Whatever else you think of him you have to know the fact is he is a liar, on top of everything else.

    Donald Trump just had his most dishonest week as president: 7 days, 34 false claims
    The Star’s running tally of every false thing the president of the United States of America has said, 447 so far.

    A few selected at random. Something to think about.

    “But the FBI person really reports directly to the president of the United States, which is interesting.”
    Source: Interview with the New York Times
    In fact: The FBI director does not report directly to the president. He reports to the attorney general. *Fact

    Jun 26, 2017
    "He (Obama) didn't 'choke,' he colluded or obstructed."
    Source: Twitter
    In fact: Though Obama's muted response to Russia's election meddling has been widely criticized, there is no way in which he "colluded or obstructed."

    FEB. 7 “I saved more than $600 million. I got involved in negotiation on a fighter jet, the F-35.” (The Defense Department projected this price drop before Trump took office.) *Fact

    Jun 20, 2017
    "Democrat Jon Ossoff, who wants to raise your taxes to the highest level..."
    Source: Twitter
    Ossoff, the Democratic candidate in the special election in Georgia’s 6th District, opposes tax increases on individuals, even the wealthy, and supports tax cuts for small businesses.

    “Further, while the current agreement effectively blocks the development of clean coal in America, which it does…"
    Source: Speech on Paris climate accord
    In fact: The Paris agreement does not even mention coal, let alone block coal development. The accord allows each country to set its own targets for reducing emissions. *Fact

    “I was in Tennessee the other day, and they’ve lost half of their state in terms of an insurer; they have no insurer.”
    Source: Remarks on failed Obamacare repeal and replacement
    In fact: Every part of Tennessee is covered by a health insurer, the state told FactCheck.org; some areas have one insurer selling plans through the Obamacare “marketplace,” some have two.

    ^If you look at the link you will notice he told some of these lies more than once!


    T r u m p ’ s L i e s

    Again, just a few chosen at random for you to pick and choose and investigate.

    FEB. 28 “The E.P.A.’s regulators were putting people out of jobs by the hundreds of thousands.” (There's no evidence that the Waters of the United States rule caused severe job losses.)

    APRIL 11 “I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. I had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and I didn’t know Steve.” (He knew Steve Bannon since 2011.)

    APRIL 12 “The secretary general and I had a productive discussion about what more NATO can do in the fight against terrorism. I complained about that a long time ago and they made a change, and now they do fight terrorism.” (NATO has been engaged in counterterrorism efforts since the 1980s.) *Fact

    MAY 12 “When James Clapper himself, and virtually everyone else with knowledge of the witch hunt, says there is no collusion, when does it end?” (Clapper said he wouldn't have been told of an investigation into collusion.)

    JUNE 21 “Right now, we are one of the highest-taxed nations in the world.” (We're not.) *Fact

    JULY 19 “But the F.B.I. person really reports directly to the president of the United States, which is interesting.” (He reports directly to the attorney general.) *Fact

    Why do his people believe everything he says, even when it is so demonstrably false? Even if you take away what the NYT or other media outlets report, he lies about actual FACTS (* above) which are easily disproven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeaTime View Post

    Go read the truth. You've been duped by your liberal elitists into thinking they care.
    The truth is Republicans have a long history of screwing over veterans and slashing veterans healthcare funding. We (veterans) know who has our back, and that would be the Democrats.

    Veterans who use the system have not been duped. What a weird thing to say.

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    From ICE's own webpage....

    1378 arrests
    1095 confirmed gang related arrested
    933 are US citizens
    104 MS-13

    https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ic...rvey-target-id

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    Real GDP growth has been higher than 2.6 for the last 18 months....

    From the US Bureau of Economic Analysis...

    https://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cf...17&910=x&911=0

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