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    FL - Palm Beach Co, WhtFem UP16715, 22-44, in woode area-two diamond rings, Dec'82

    Namus UP 16715

    https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/16715

    Unidentified Body/Remains (White Female)


    Found December 19, 1982 in Palm Beach County, FL
    Body Condition: Not recognizable
    Probable year of death: to

    Vital Statistics
    Estimated age: 22-44 (Adult)

    Approximate Height: 63 estimate
    Approximate Weight: cannot estimate
    Hair Color: Brown; remains of hair present

    Eye Color:
    unknown
    Scars and marks:
    nothing

    Clothing & Accessories
    Clothing:
    Blue jeans with a brand name "U R FREE" had a length of 3'5" as measured from the outside. Inseam length is 32". Waist diameter was 29". T-shirt had a unique design and writing of ...ALE 1980 (Could be MOOSEALE). White panties. Brassiere size 34D with lace in the front and a stretch strap.

    Jewerly: white metal "Benrus" brand wristwatch, two diamond rings near remains. One ring white metal diamond pinky ring and the other a 10 karat ladies yellow metal cocktail ring with four baguette diamonds. A necklace with yellow metal mariner's anchor pendant


    Footwear: nothing

    Accessories: nothing

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is available and entered
    Dentals: Dental information / charting is available and will be entered later
    DNA:
    Sample submitted - tests not complete

    Case History
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    Middle-aged white female, decomposed body found in a wooded area. She was short and had considerable dental repair work. She was wearing jewelry.
    Look at my profile you will find cases of unidentified people new to you! Ivan

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    Interesting that there's no cause of death given. If she was murdered, it's surprising that her killer left 2 diamond rings on her.

    It's also somewhat confusing that she is described as "middle-aged" yet her estimated age range is given as 22-44.

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    It could be that if she was murdered and the motive was robbery they probably thought the rings were fake and or they thought that it was easier to just get cash rather than pawning off some rings. Or if she was murdered then they probably didn't care much about the rings and maybe took her wallet as to make sure she wouldn't be identified.

    On another note. We can probably assume that the remains were at most would had been there since 1980 since the shirt had that year on it and I don't think that it would had been sold before that year. Was it common for older women to wear pinky rings at this time?

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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3379dffl.html

    Andrea Darlene Allen
    Case Classification: Missing
    Missing Since: May 24, 1982
    Location Last Seen: West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida


    Physical Description
    ** Listed information is from the time of disappearance.

    Date of Birth: February 24, 1959
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 23 yrs old
    Race: White
    Gender: Female
    Height at Time of Disappearance: 5'0"
    Weight at Time of Disappearance: 105-115 lbs
    Hair Color: Blonde
    Eye Color: Green
    Alias(s) / Nickname(s): Andrea Darlene Shapiro

    Distinguishing Marks/Features: None

    Dentals: Not Available
    Fingerprints: Not Available
    DNA: Available
    Clothing & Personal Items
    Clothing: Unknown

    Jewelry: Unknown

    Additional Personal Items: Unknown


    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Andrea was last seen on May 24, 1982 in West Palm Beach, Florida.

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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2457dffl.html

    Gwendelyn Kay Goode
    Missing since February 18, 1982 from Orlando, Florida
    Classification: Missing

    Vital Statistics
    Date Of Birth: May 8, 1942
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 40 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5"; 155 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Red hair.
    DNA: Available


    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Gwendelyn Goode walked away from their residence in February 1981.
    She was a heavy drinker, and no one reported her missing for a while.
    There was a reported sighting of Gwen in the summer of 1981. At that time, she was with a white, male transient, also a presumed alcoholic.
    She was presumed to have resorted to a transient lifestyle, and is now presumed dead.

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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2438dffl.html

    Patricia T. Ford
    Missing since January 26, 1982 from Oldsmar, Pinellas County, Florida
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    PTFord[1].jpg



    Vital Statistics
    Date Of Birth: November 19, 1916
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 65 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2"; 105 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Grey hair; hazel eyes.




    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Patricia Ford was last seen removing $5,000 from her bank in Tampa. She was going to buy antique figurines from a woman who was about to move into a nursing home. Police never found the seller, and suspect Patricia may have been victim of a scheme to rob or abduct her. Ford regularly bought and sold antiques at the Oldsmar flea market.
    Her vehicle was found abandoned at Lafayette Boulevard and National Orange Drive in Oldsmar, Florida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is available and entered
    Dentals: Dental information / charting is available and will be entered later
    DNA:
    Sample submitted - tests not complete
    I find it quite interesting that this case have been given an 'identification potential' rating of low (one star)

    Yes a lot of time has passed, but when fingerprints, dental and DNA are all available, I think there is still a very good chance that she will be identified, eventually.

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    Andrea Allen sounds promising, although would police not have made the connection at the time given she disappeared only a short drive away from where this Jane Doe was found? The hair colour is also different but dark blonde and light brown can easily be interchangeable.

    The clothing and jewellery description sounds to me like a younger woman, just my opinion. So the older suggestions don't stick out to me so much.

    This site has some info on the history of Benrus watches - seems like it was a very common brand through to the 1960s and 1970s but then became less so. Interestingly: "In the 1960's through the late 70's, Benrus made military issue watches used by the Army and Navy. These were issued to servicemen fighting in the Vietnam War." http://www.thewatchguy.com/pages/BENRUS.html That combined with the anchor pendant - wonder if this was a wife/daughter/girlfriend of a Navy serviceman? I don't know much about this but it looks like there are some Naval bases in the area?

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    I'm surprised pictures of the jewelry weren't uploaded. They sound very distinct.
    I'd never heard of or seen Benrus watches before, so I cruised through Wikipedia.
    I think NamUs has since updated the case, because it now states fingerprints aren't available.
    Status: Fingerprint information is currently not available
    https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/16715
    All you need is love and. . . .(fill in the blank)

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    https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/16715

    I find the size of this petite ladies jeans is throwing me a bit. A woman who only measures 5'3" tall would be swimming in 32" length jeans and normally women's jeans come in 29"/31"/33" inseams. It would suggest that the jeans she wearing were men's and perhaps she rolled them up.
    Also, from her clothing if the jeans actually fit her...then she would be approximately around 130 lbs.
    I'd also add, that her size 34D bust size might have given her a top heavy look, since a 34 band is not large at all. Curvy figure, I would venture to guess.
    Last edited by coffeeandacig; 07-04-2017 at 12:56 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CountEveryMoment View Post
    It could be that if she was murdered and the motive was robbery they probably thought the rings were fake and or they thought that it was easier to just get cash rather than pawning off some rings. Or if she was murdered then they probably didn't care much about the rings and maybe took her wallet as to make sure she wouldn't be identified.
    Possible, certainly. And also possible her killer thought he might get caught if he tried to sell them. On the other hand, if he was fairly mobile he could have kept them for a while and tried to sell them out of state, or simply taken them to a second hand jeweller and asked if they were diamonds. "Probably not - Gran never did have much money".

    Was it common for older women to wear pinky rings at this time?
    Is or was it common for anyone to wear pinky rings?

    I've only ever heard of them in one context - a ring, especially a signet ring, worn on the little finger of the left hand used to be used by gay men in the UK in decades past to recognise one another.

    On the other hand it's possible it had been her ring when she was a child but only fit the little finger once she was an adult.

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    My gut says that the motive for this one was more likely to be a domestic violence incident. Robbery is less likely the motive because of the jewellery - in my opinion.

    Statistically, it's likely it was a partner/husband who killed her as opposed to a stranger. I doubt she is on a missing persons list - I would guess her partner/husband said that she'd left him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeeandacig View Post
    https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/16715

    I find the size of this petite ladies jeans is throwing me a bit. A woman who only measures 5'3" tall would be swimming in 32" length jeans and normally women's jeans come in 29"/31"/33" inseams. It would suggest that the jeans she wearing were men's and perhaps she rolled them up.
    Also, from her clothing if the jeans actually fit her...then she would be approximately around 130 lbs.
    I'd also add, that her size 34D bust size might have given her a top heavy look, since a 34 band is not large at all. Curvy figure, I would venture to guess.
    I did a search for that brand of jeans and found one pair on ebay which were a women's style with a 32 inch inseam - so perhaps an anomaly of that particular brand that they did a 32? But yes, you're right that they seem long for someone that height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnynz View Post
    I did a search for that brand of jeans and found one pair on ebay which were a women's style with a 32 inch inseam - so perhaps an anomaly of that particular brand that they did a 32? But yes, you're right that they seem long for someone that height.
    Unless she wore them with high platform soled shoes.



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