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    NY - Erie Co, WhtMale UP16804, 15-25, buried in park, Tan Kaufman boots, Jun'17

    NamUs UP 16804

    https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/16804

    Unidentified Body/Remains (White Male)

    Found June 10, 2017 in Erie County, NY
    Body Condition: Not recognizable - Putrefaction/ decomposition
    Probable year of death: 1960 to 1990

    Vital Statistics
    Estimated age: 15-25 (Adult - Pre 30)
    Approximate Height: cannot estimate
    Approximate Weight: cannot estimate
    Hair Color: Blond/Strawberry; Dark dirty blond 2'' long
    Eye Color: Unknown
    Scars and marks: nothing

    Clothing & Accessories
    Clothing:
    Barry Dolan jacket; Wrangler corduroy pants; Tan Kaufman Made in Canada size 11 boots
    Jewerly: nothing
    Footwear: nothing
    Accessories:
    Blue and white pen: FTACORE INCORPORATED, 1294 SEVENTEENTH ST., DETROIT, MI 40215, Ph. # 313-237-0077; Black leather-like wallet with 2 faded photographs?

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is not available
    Dentals: Dental information / charting is available and will be entered later
    DNA: Sample submitted - tests not complete

    Case History:
    Probable 15-25 year old white man found buried in Marion Fricano Town Park. Estimated height 5'8" to 6'4". Dark or dirty blonde hair 2-3" long. Buried over 30 years, probably more like 40-50 years. Wearing tan Kaufman boots size 11, Barry Dolan jacket, Wrangler corduroy pants.
    Last edited by Romulus; 07-16-2017 at 06:29 AM.
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    Wow that's a wide time frame!! So someone missing from the 60s up to 90s. Hope DNA can help in this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    Accessories:Blue and white pen: FTACORE INCORPORATED, 1294 SEVENTEENTH ST., DETROIT, MI 40215, Ph. # 313-237-0077;
    I would think the pen would help narrow down when this young man might have died.

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    A report on the case here:

    http://www.twcnews.com/nys/buffalo/n...tate-road.html

    The jacket and boots are thought to date from the 1960s or 1970s. The cops are indeed looking into what the pen might tell them.

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    The address on the pen is now the site of housing which has been built in the past 3 or 4 years. Google streetview shows what whatever commercial premises had been there were gone by 2007.

    Does anyone know how or where to look up the history of companies in MI?

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    Here's a brief history of the Kaufman boot company: https://doorsclosedwaterloo.wordpres...fman-footwear/

    ...Closed entirely by 2000.

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    The history says Kaufman was Canadian too. Maybe this guy was from Canada?

    In addition, zip codes were introduced July 1, 1963. So this had to of happened after 1963.
    The zip code given, 40215 is in Jefferson County, Kentucky.

    Interestingly, I found that the zip code 48215 currently covers an area in the Southeast of Detroit, bordering the neighborhood of Grosse Point Park. The current zip code for 1294 17th Street is 48216, which is west of downtown Detroit. I found nothing to indicate that these zip codes have changed. Evidently zip code changes have been rare since the introduction of zip codes, mostly occurring in suburbanizing areas.

    As a result, I'd guess the pen is a bit hard to read, it has been buried 40-50 years after all, and the best investigators could make out was 40215, while the pen actually says 48216

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otterly View Post
    The history says Kaufman was Canadian too. Maybe this guy was from Canada?
    That thought had crossed my mind as well. I've been trying to find out about the Barry Dolan jacket he was wearing but nothing comes up about clothing with that name except links to this thread and to the one or two media articles about the remains. The cops had clearly heard of the brand so it must have been quite popular at one time, but it would be useful to know how widely it was distributed and if it was a regional brand, where it was based and sold.

    In addition, zip codes were introduced July 1, 1963. So this had to of happened after 1963.
    So our body died anytime between 1963 and 2000 but probably sometime before 1980 (based on the clothing).

    The zip code given, 40215 is in Jefferson County, Kentucky.

    Interestingly, I found that the zip code 48215 currently covers an area in the Southeast of Detroit, bordering the neighborhood of Grosse Point Park. The current zip code for 1294 17th Street is 48216, which is west of downtown Detroit. I found nothing to indicate that these zip codes have changed. Evidently zip code changes have been rare since the introduction of zip codes, mostly occurring in suburbanizing areas.

    As a result, I'd guess the pen is a bit hard to read, it has been buried 40-50 years after all, and the best investigators could make out was 40215, while the pen actually says 48216
    Agreed about the script on the pen probably being difficult to read. 48216 does sound more likely, given that it agrees with the street address.

    I wonder when pens started to be used as promotional items like this. If a longstanding ex-employee of Kaufman could be shown the pen it's possible he or she could narrow down the time period when that particular promotional item was used.

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    There's currently a listing for a Barry Dolan wool coat/jacket on Fleabay with a close-up of the lable which suggests it was a brand of the Keyser-Roth Corp*. The listing says that coat is of US manufacture.

    Unfortunately the link won't work for long.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-Barry-Do...-/401104562111

    * Who currently appear to be the distributors of the Calvin Klein, Jockey and Burlington brands.

    I'd be very surprised if someone at the company could not identify the garment and it's date of manufacture quite closely.
    Last edited by MelmothTheLost; 07-17-2017 at 02:36 AM. Reason: correction

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    I wonder if it is possible that the 48216 ZIP code was actually created out of the 48215 one? If so, and we could determine when that occurred, we could possibly narrow this down further. I know one of the suburbs by me went from being a sleepy little farmtown in the fifties to a high-density exurban area today. As a result, in about 2001, they split the town into two ZIP codes.


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    This guy from Canada seems like a possibility. His height, age (pre-30), race, and time frame (clothes found were popular in the late 60s - 70s) all fit. The bit that stood out to me: he was possibly last known to be in New York State.

    PERCIVAL, Gary
    https://www.services.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/...014002334&id=5

    Gary Percival was reported missing in Regina, SK on April 9, 1973. A witness did state that Gary Percival may have been a patient in a hospital in New York State in 1974. Mr. Percival has not been located and his whereabouts is unknown.


    The missing person's page says his Gary's hair is black, but it looks at least brown in the photograph. In addition, the hairs found might have faded for the 40-50 years they have had to deteriorate. This might have made it seem the UID's hair was lighter than it was in life.

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    Namus has added some pictures of the pen and the bottom of his boots:




    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/16804
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener1850 View Post
    Namus has added some pictures of the pen and the bottom of his boots:
    Given the size of the images, I've excluded them from my response.

    The photo of the pen is difficult to read due to reflections on the barrel, but I was interested to note that the boots have a vibram-type sole I associate with hiking or maybe workman's boots. Boots of this type don't seem to be present in Kaufman's current line-up of men's footwear:

    https://www.pskaufman.com/collections/mens-footwear

    So that begs the question of if Kaufman no longer makes boots like those worn by the deceased, when did they stop making them? Obviously this would help narrow down when he died.

    Also, looking at the prices of Kaufman footwear - at current exchange ranges CAD 395 is USD 315, GBP 241 or AUS 397.

    These were not cheap boots, in fact they were pretty damned expensive which probably tells us something about the social or economic position of the man who wore them.

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    Zip code: I see 48210 on the pen.

    Corduroy pants and vibramesque-sole boots scream late 1970s fashion trend to me.

    Terry Mark Brewer?

    Went missing after release in 1977 from Rochester, NY (about 100 miles away) psychiatric facility. Brown boots.
    Hair is a bit long, and at 6'2" he may be too tall for a size 11 boot.


    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/23587/2

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4964dmny.html

    http://www.nampn.org/cases/brewer_terry.html

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    I was searching for Kaufman boots. The company made various styles but the one that closely resembles his are called BADLANDERS. I found numerous ones that are vintage or old/new stock on different sites. Here is an example of one.
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    These image are from an eBay ad this is the link https://www.ebay.com/b/Kaufman-Mens-...1498/bn_159639

    I also came across when Kaufman Footwear Inc Trademarked the Name BADLANDERS for the Boots looks like they filed for the trademark name in June 28,1976 and it was actually registered in March 1, 1977 and expired in Dec 2, 1997.
    Here is the link for that http://www.trademarkia.com/badlanders-73091794.html

    So with that Iam thinking the boots were probably not out on the market before June 1976 or if they where they prob were out for a couple of months which might help narrow the timeframe more.
    Last edited by madamx; 07-23-2017 at 08:40 AM.

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